The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Weisbrod was focused on pulling 2 nobodies from the NCAA. As I've said, our management places to much trust in this former NBA executive. He starts focusing on certain pieces and other GMs know they can fleece him for it.

I like Sieloff as a 2nd round pick, but could you imagine this team drafting him at 21st overall if Jankowksi was gone? Absolutely asinine.

I go back and forth on Weisbrod. Like his drafting, even though it will take time to see what it really is.

I liked the deal he got from Boston. I am not sure he had much of a selection of players when Iggy said he would only go to the Pens. Shero had the flames bent over a barell when Feaster came calling late.

Did not like the Cervnka scouting. Cervenka might turn out to be a winger , but Weisbrod thought he would be a 2nd line center.

I will say this i don't want him as the next GM if Feaster goes. Probably would rather him a head scout.

[Yakbutter]

That ken king interview deserves it's own thread

-Admits drastic changes need to be made
-says they thought the team was ready to compete and were mistaken
-should of had iginla put trade list in writing
-backhandedly says the team is rebuilding

the link is on the fan960 website right now.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

That ken king interview deserves it's own thread

-Admits drastic changes need to be made
-says they thought the team was ready to compete and were mistaken
-should of had iginla put trade list in writing
-backhandedly says the team is rebuilding

the link is on the fan960 website right now.

Start it up

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

How is he better than Regehr? Please tell me how. Regehr plays 18:37 a game and is -3 while Butler has been a healthy scratch multiple times and plays 15:38 a game and is -6.

They both play for terrible teams and unless you watch Buffalo play every game I'm not sure how you can say Butler is playing better. Butler is downright awful, I find it hard to believe Regehr would be playing worse. It would take an amazing level of suck to be out sucking Butler. If it wasn't for Babchuk I think he'd be our worst defensemen.

That trade was pretty awful. We gave up a 2nd round pick as well, can't get much worse than that, but wait we also got Ales Kotalik so I guess it did get worse.

How is Butler better? Well for 1 he can actually skate still, and is also 6 years younger. Also I have watched a number of Sabers games in the last few years. Regehr hasn't magically gotten faster and better since joining Buffalo.

I will give Regehr this though, he is still a mean SOB and does a pretty ok job of clearing the front of the net. But as far as outlet passes, ability to hold the line, and stick work goes Butler is the better player and he is way cheaper.

We didn't "also get Kotalik". We got rid of Kotalik in that trade.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I like Sieloff as a 2nd round pick, but could you imagine this team drafting him at 21st overall if Jankowksi was gone? Absolutely asinine.

Wait......are we making up things that didn't happen then over-reacting to them? Or did i miss the point of your post?

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

How is Butler better? Well for 1 he can actually skate still, and is also 6 years younger. Also I have watched a number of Sabers games in the last few years. Regehr hasn't magically gotten faster and better since joining Buffalo.

I will give Regehr this though, he is still a mean SOB and does a pretty ok job of clearing the front of the net. But as far as outlet passes, ability to hold the line, and stick work goes Butler is the better player and he is way cheaper.

We didn't "also get Kotalik". We got rid of Kotalik in that trade.

Lets just call it what it is, a butt ugly trade for both teams. Frankly if it wasn't for his cap hit I'd prefer to have Reggie over Butler. And what has Byron done???

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Wait......are we making up things that didn't happen then over-reacting to them? Or did i miss the point of your post?

Weisbrod said that if Jankowski had been taken just before 21, they would have seriously thought about taking Seiloff at 21. He might have been blowing smoke but he said it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Lets just call it what it is, a butt ugly trade for both teams. Frankly if it wasn't for his cap hit I'd prefer to have Reggie over Butler. And what has Byron done???

Not fair to Paul Byron. Kid has some potential. Had crap luck this year getting his hand broken in his first game up this year.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Weisbrod said that if Janikowski had been taken just before 21, they would have seriously thought about taking Seiloff at 21. He might have been blowing smoke but he said it.

Oh so it did happen then. They took Seiloff at 21, I missed that, my bad

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Not fair to Paul Byron. Kid has some potential. Had crap luck this year getting his hand broken in his first game up this year.

I've seen him play in Abby quite a few times, he's got great wheels but is undersized and doesn't have the greatest hands. Very Fata like IMHO.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Lets just call it what it is, a butt ugly trade for both teams. Frankly if it wasn't for his cap hit I'd prefer to have Reggie over Butler. And what has Byron done???

Perhaps it is, but it's hardly a trade Feaster should be criticized for. There are any number of things we can criticize Feaster for but that trade isn't one of them.

What has Paul Byron done? Obviously not much but he is still a work in progress.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

How is Butler better? Well for 1 he can actually skate still, and is also 6 years younger. Also I have watched a number of Sabers games in the last few years. Regehr hasn't magically gotten faster and better since joining Buffalo.

I will give Regehr this though, he is still a mean SOB and does a pretty ok job of clearing the front of the net. But as far as outlet passes, ability to hold the line, and stick work goes Butler is the better player and he is way cheaper.

We didn't "also get Kotalik". We got rid of Kotalik in that trade.

oops. yeah we got Paul Byron. I usually try to cut out horrible trades from my head.

He didn't need to get better since joining Buffalo, he was actually playing pretty well for the Flames and definitely a lot better than Butler ever has played for the Flames.

And Butler can make good outlet passes? Then why does he turn the puck over so many times? Why does he always find himself hemmed in his own zone?

So you watched a couple Buffalo games and you've got all you need to say Butler is playing better than Regehr. Alright, got you. I don't watch Buffalo play much either, but if Regehr is in fact worse than Butler then he must be having one of the worst seasons in his career.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

oops. yeah we got Paul Byron. I usually try to cut out horrible trades from my head.

He didn't need to get better since joining Buffalo, he was actually playing pretty well for the Flames and definitely a lot better than Butler ever has played for the Flames.

And Butler can make good outlet passes? Then why does he turn the puck over so many times? Why does he always find himself hemmed in his own zone?

So you watched a couple Buffalo games and you've got all you need to say Butler is playing better than Regehr. Alright, got you. I don't watch Buffalo play much either, but if Regehr is in fact worse than Butler then he must be having one of the worst seasons in his career.

We must be remembering a different Regehr because the one I remember was pretty bad in his last few years with the Flames.

I never said Butler was perfect, or didn't made mistakes, all I said was I think that Butler has been the better of the 2 players since the trade. Nothing earth shattering or ground breaking. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[Vinny01]

Reggie is following the Scott Hannan path he is likely going to get a 1-2 year deal worth $1-1.5M per. Wouldn't be shocked if he comes back here next year or ends up in LA

[moon]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

I understand that Butler gets a lot of crap on here but at this moment he is the best player in that trade. How exactly did Feaster lose that trade? Because he gave up a second? I won't pretend to know anything about Jake McCabe, but the Flames also passed on him 2 picks before to grab Sieloff so it isn't like they couldn't have him.

I would say at best it is a lose-lose for both teams deal.

Butler is below AHL replacement and should not be playing at all in the NHL. He is at best the 8th best defenseman on the team right now and maybe below Breen as well.

Byron is useless in terms of NHL and showing 0 signs that will change.

And we gave up a 2nd round supposedly to try and give Brad Richards a god awful contract, that thankfully he declined.

Buffalo may not have faired much better with Regehr but the fact that the trade brought 0 useful parts while giving up a 2nd round pick is a loss in my books.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Wait......are we making up things that didn't happen then over-reacting to them? Or did i miss the point of your post?

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Oh so it did happen then. They took Seiloff at 21, I missed that, my bad

Are you seriously whining about this?

Numerous times Feaster and Weisbrod mentioned that they liked Seiloff at 21.

No they didn't take him there but unless you think they are liars then it shows their thought process and something likely they would do.

Certainly something that can be discussed and has relevance when talking about the management group in Calgary.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by moon

Are you seriously whining about this?

Numerous times Feaster and Weisbrod mentioned that they liked Seiloff at 21.

No they didn't take him there but unless you think they are liars then it shows their thought process and something likely they would do.

Certainly something that can be discussed and has relevance when talking about the management group in Calgary.

Whining? Not even close to what I was doing.

Moon why is it whenever someone doesnt agree with your point of view you must make person attacks.

You sir need to grow up........big time.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

We must be remembering a different Regehr because the one I remember was pretty bad in his last few years with the Flames.

I never said Butler was perfect, or didn't made mistakes, all I said was I think that Butler has been the better of the 2 players since the trade. Nothing earth shattering or ground breaking. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Even if Butler has been outplaying Regehr, don't you still think it was a bad trade since we gave up a 2nd rounder?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Whining? Not even close to what I was doing.

Moon why is it whenever someone doesnt agree with your point of view you must make person attacks.

You sir need to grow up........big time.

What personal attacks?

I addressed the points you made while you just commented on me in your post. If anybody is making personal attacks it is the guy who talked about the poster while ignoring the actual post.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Even if Butler has been outplaying Regehr, don't you still think it was a bad trade since we gave up a 2nd rounder?

Not really. If you break the deal down as Kotalik and Regehr for Butler and Byron for a second. Byron is a solid top 6 AHL forward, 23 years old, who has played 23 games for the Flames, and if not for an injury would have played a couple more, and is still developing. Technically speaking Byron has accomplished as much, if not more than, most second round picks.

We ended up getting Buffalo's second rounder for free when we traded down. We still got the player we wanted in Jankowski and drafted 2 spots in front of Buffalo. At the end of the day the second round pick becomes a moot point.