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[Robbob]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

This video has enlightened me to the way Jay Feaster does business with his fellow GMs. Chiarelli looks genuinely choked throughout this press conference. He had a right to know that Iginla would have the final say on where he ended up. Jay Feaster

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/1/0/894152/clip/497

Iginla has a nmc, of course he gets final say where he goes. If boston doesn't understand that the its on them, not feaster.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Bruins fans should be the most pissed at their own management team, and their incessant overuse of the media. There sure was a lot of info being leaked to Boston media, etc, and it sure as heck wasn't coming from our side. They should have shut the hell up until ALL the details were taken care of, and the trade was actually official, before getting their fan base all excited over the possible acquisition of #12.

Of course, maybe it was a ploy by Bruins management. Maybe they felt it slipping away, and thought if they leaked it to the media that Iggy was a Bruin, it might influence his final decision providing Iggy hadn't made up his mind yet. Even if that was the case, it was a risky move and did nothing but tarnish Jarome's name a bit, and put their fan base through the highest high, followed by the lowest low.

Yeah, there were way too many leaks coming from Boston. You couldn't turn around and not hear; "Sources from Boston are saying.... According to a source in Boston...".

And they wonder why Feaster couldn't be forthright with Chiarelli? It's because the people around him (or Chiarelli himself) cannot keep their dumb mouths shut.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

NHL ready defenseman? Most agree that Bartkowski is the worst of the 4 (as far as potential goes).

And calling Koko a top C prospect is a stretch IMO. Yeah, he is the highest rated of the 4, but he's far from being blue-chip.

Replace Bart with Spooner and then it is a clearly better package. But this one is not materially different.

When we were getting Koko, he was a guy with a max ceiling of a 2nd liner. When it turned out we didn't get him, all of the sudden he was shaping up to be a #1 centre.

It just proves that most people wouldn't like the return for Iginla regardless of what it was.

[fanman]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Koko, Bartkowski & a 1st seems substantially better to me. A 1st, a top center prospect in the pros, drafted last year & an NHL-ready defenceman versus a 1st & 2 marginal LW prospects from the NCAA. Brutal fleecing. At least Iggy is happy...

I think the problem is that it was a conditional first that was offered. If Boston really wanted Iggy they should have known that the Flames wouldn't except less than an unconditional 1st coming back. Chiarelli can blame himself on that one.

Now the pressure is on the Bruins to compete with the Pens. If they're looking for forwards wouldn't this be a good time to try and sell a Cammalleri or Tanguay?
The asking price just went up (if only a little) for either.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by fanman

I think the problem is that it was a conditional first that was offered. If Boston really wanted Iggy they should have known that the Flames wouldn't except less than an unconditional 1st coming back. Chiarelli can blame himself on that one.

Now the pressure is on the Bruins to compete with the Pens. If they're looking for forwards wouldn't this be a good time to try and sell a Cammalleri or Tanguay?
The asking price just went up (if only a little) for either.

I don't think they wanna do business with us anymore

[Enoch Root]

Chiarelli said it wasn't conditional

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Iginla has a nmc, of course he gets final say where he goes. If boston doesn't understand that the its on them, not feaster.

Doesn't the no move just mean you approve a list of teams and after that you can be traded to anyone of those teams. Going back to Iginla after he had already gave a list was a pure favor from the organization. I dont think they had to do that.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I don't think they wanna do business with us anymore

The Bruins will do business with anyone who has assets that make their team better. If they think JBo fits that bill, then they're calling Feaster.

Their goal is to win a cup, not be martyrs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Doesn't the no move just mean you approve a list of teams and after that you can be traded to anyone of those teams. Going back to Iginla after he had already gave a list was a pure favor from the organization. I dont think they had to do that.

There are different types. Some are modified where the player is obligated to provide a list if the team asks. Iginla's was a full NMC. He provided a list as a courtesy but was not obligated to accept a trade at all if he didn't want.

It was still a little low of him to put Boston on the list and then refuse the trade though... but it was his right.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by J-bo09

I don't think they wanna do business with us anymore

... unless the Feaster Bunny is extra extra generous this time

[Ozy_Flame]

[fanman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Chiarelli said it wasn't conditional

Thanks, I missed that.

Makes me wonder if it really was conditional as was reported earlier, and Chiarelli is trying to save face to his fanbase now.

I guess we'll have to wait a few years to see how all these prospects pan out before being able to accurately judge between the two offers. I know that's not exciting and not the way of the internet but...

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Doesn't the no move just mean you approve a list of teams and after that you can be traded to anyone of those teams. Going back to Iginla after he had already gave a list was a pure favor from the organization. I dont think they had to do that.

No. (Edit: since Iggy had a full NMC/NTC) It's a list of places the player would consider going to, which allows the current team to solicit offers and build a market for the player... It's not a waiver of the NTC. Until the very end when the player actually signs the official waiver, they can change their mind.

Yesterday, Feaster essentially would have told Iggy he had deals in place with Boston and Pittsburgh. Iggy could either pick one, or tell Feaster he would be willing to waive for either of them. In the end, he chose Pittsburgh and that is the deal the Flames had to make (or keep Iggy and risk losing him to free agency).

I suspect the Flames would have preferred the Boston deal, but Iggy was only willing to go to Pittsburgh.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

No. (Edit: since Iggy had a full NMC/NTC) It's a list of places the player would consider going to, which allows the current team to solicit offers and build a market for the player... It's not a waiver of the NTC. Until the very end when the player actually signs the official waiver, they can change their mind.

Yesterday, Feaster essentially would have told Iggy he had deals in place with Boston and Pittsburgh. Iggy could either pick one, or tell Feaster he would be willing to waive for either of them. In the end, he chose Pittsburgh and that is the deal the Flames had to make (or keep Iggy and risk losing him to free agency).

I suspect the Flames would have preferred the Boston deal, but Iggy was only willing to go to Pittsburgh.

This is the way it went down, but according to some media guys tonight, it didn't have to / shouldn't have gone down that way.

They are saying that it is normal that the player submits the list, the team sends it to the NHLPA and then they can trade the player. Otherwise, as McLean said 'the tail wags the dog' (might be paraphrasing)

[LouCypher]

Watching the Chiarelli press conference I get the impression that as disappointed as he is to not get Iggy its something he understands from experience. This was a hard trade for the Flames to do. I don't see him holding that against us, the way he talked about Feaster at the beginning and how long he has known him makes me think it wont really hurt their relationship.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Was Chiarelli unaware Iggy had a NTC?

The list Iggy provided was a list of teams he'd consider going to... Not a list of teams he'd automatically waive to go to. In the end, he considered Boston and decided he didn't want to go there.

Nothing is done until the player signs the NMC/NTC waiver, and they can change their mind at any time until they sign it. The player has control.

Boston was told they were on the approved shortlist

[tendulkar23]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Can't forget this beauty, Spoiler for language:

Spoiler!

Haha my comment "You Mad?' is one of the top rated ones now.

This just in: Chiarelli has been given one week to improve the Bruins and Feaster has been fired.

[$ven27]

Pathetic.

[Gator Mike]

FWIW, a Bruins' beat writer was on the radio and said the Bruins are upset because they were assured from the beginning that Iginla HAD ALREADY approved (past tense) a trade to Boston before negotiations got serious. The Bruins feel that Calgary gave Iginla a right of first refusal that wasn't in his contract AFTER Feaster told Chiarelli that the Bruins had "won" the bidding for Iginla.

And from that perspective, you can understand why they're upset. If Iginla had already approved a trade to Boston in the abstract and Feaster calls to tell you that the deal is done... what else do you have to do?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Gator Mike

FWIW, a Bruins' beat writer was on the radio and said the Bruins are upset because they were assured from the beginning that Iginla HAD ALREADY approved (past tense) a trade to Boston before negotiations got serious. The Bruins feel that Calgary gave Iginla a right of first refusal that wasn't in his contract AFTER Feaster told Chiarelli that the Bruins had "won" the bidding for Iginla.

And from that perspective, you can understand why they're upset. If Iginla had already approved a trade to Boston in the abstract and Feaster calls to tell you that the deal is done... what else do you have to do?

I doubt they have seen Iginla's contract. He had a full no-movement clause from every source I have seen, which means he could refuse a trade anywhere. Why he said it was OK to negotiate with Boston and then reneg was a bit of a dick move on his part, but his right.