[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

You realize Iggy picked the Penguins do you not?



I get you hate Feaster, but you don't need to make up ignorant reasons to justify it.

What is the point of the list? Why tell the Pens that is where Iggy wanted to go? Prime time sports is ripping Iggy apart saying he called Crosby telling him it was Pitt only

I just think the organization could have handled this better

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Pittsburgh really played this brilliantly. They gained all the leverage when they acquired Morrow and Murray, which showed Iginla they were all in this year, and by doing so for none of their top 5 prospects were able to make a lower offer than Boston. Iginla having a NMC made everyone else irrelevant at that point, it was Pittsburgh or nothing.

Yeah, as much as I hate the Penguins, Shero is a frickin evil genius.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

If we sent off, oh say, Arnold and Gordon, my guess is 70% of this board would have no idea who we sent off. It's something I've come to learn in my 4 years on CP. Most of our fan base think they know about our prospects and really have no clue, but won't admit their ignorance.

So I don't blame the Pens faithful for having idea who they are.

And if you said Arnold and Gordon, we would know they are B-level prospects... its not like we don't know about our mid-round picks who are standing out as A-level prospects (i.e. JohnnyG, LB, Ferland...)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Of course they are going to say they love these prospects. It's just token post trade chit-chat.

The bottom line is that Jarome decided where he wanted to go and Feaster pretty much had to take the offer or leave it. It's not like Feaster looked at Pittsburgh's prospect list and thought; "You know, Bennett Pouliot and Maatta are all nice, but we really like Agostino and Hanowski...".

With no other teams able or willing to bid, Shero was pretty much able to set the terms. Or we could have made a stand and not traded him and let him walk.

Why could Feaster not try to drive up value by saying better deals were on the table. Bad negotiation. There was a 4 team list not a 1 team list

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What is the point of the list? Why tell the Pens that is where Iggy wanted to go? Prime time sports is ripping Iggy apart saying he called Crosby telling him it was Pitt only

I just think the organization could have handled this better

I am almost certain the Flames wouldn't have spilled the beans to Pittsburgh about the size of the list. The media leaked the information, and they probably got it from Meehan.

Iginla is the one that screwed the Flames. He had Boston on his list and then nixed the deal. Yeah yeah, we all love Iginla, but he made a decision that hurt this team. It was his right to make the decision, but make no mistake, it hurt this team a little.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What is the point of the list? Why tell the Pens that is where Iggy wanted to go? Prime time sports is ripping Iggy apart saying he called Crosby telling him it was Pitt only

I just think the organization could have handled this better

He had a no-movement clause. He got to pick where he went. Plain and simple. For you to try and blame Feaster for it is off base. Again, hate the guy all you want, but don't make up bogus reasons to justify it.

2nd, Crosby can be seen stating out-right on TSN that he hasn't talked to Iggy yet. He said he didn't talk to him prior to this, nor has he talked to him today. He even went so far as to say he was never asked or consulted by the Pens management about this move. It was a (welcomed) surprise is what he said.

You can't just believe everything you hear and try to present it as reasons to criticize people like it's valid and factual.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

If we sent off, oh say, Arnold and Gordon, my guess is 70% of this board would have no idea who we sent off. It's something I've come to learn in my 4 years on CP. Most of our fan base think they know about our prospects and really have no clue, but won't admit their ignorance.

So I don't blame the Pens faithful for having idea who they are.

You might want to refer to one of our fairly level headed fans (Ari), who has had a better look than most at these two. He isn't exactly over the moon with this deal.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You might want to refer to one of our fairly level headed fans (Ari), who has had a better look than most at these two. He isn't exactly over the moon with this deal.

With Iginla having no term on his contract beyond the rest of this short season, and the Pens being his choice, who would expect an "over the moon" return?

Just not getting the dismay from some people around here about the return. It was to be expected.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why could Feaster not try to drive up value by saying better deals were on the table. Bad negotiation. There was a 4 team list not a 1 team list

Not really. He gave a list of 4, but has already admitted it was Pittsburgh or nothing. Feaster lost all leverage to make a decent deal after Shero knew this.

[GreenLantern]

Man if I feel this drained and tired after following this trade, I can't imagine how Feaster, Iginla and the rest of the Flames management feel.

Absolutely emotionally, physically and mentally draining. These guys might make the big bucks, but it sure makes me respect them when they go through scenarios like this one.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by keratosis

Iginla had final say as to where he was going.

Right, but Pittsburgh made the moves to make it so Iginla's only choice was going to be the Penguins. Boston's offer or LA's didn't matter at that point because Pittsburgh was the only team he was going to waive his NMC.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

He had a no-movement clause. He got to pick where he went. Plain and simple. For you to try and blame Feaster for it is off base. Again, hate the guy all you want, but don't make up bogus reasons to justify it.

2nd, Crosby can be seen stating out-right on TSN that he hasn't talked to Iggy yet. He said he didn't talk to him prior to this, nor has he talked to him today. He even went so far as to say he was never asked or consulted by the Pens management about this move. It was a (welcomed) surprise is what he said.

You can't just believe everything you hear and try to present it as reasons to criticize people like it's valid and factual.

Why say you have a 4 team list then say you will only go to 1 team? What reason is bogus? If you don't like the Pitt deal tell Iggy they offered a horrible return and the Boston deal will help the franchise long term

Take your own advice about not believing everything you hear as it pertains to Crosby not being consulted or talking to Iggy before. No one knows for sure.

I don't see how anyone can say Jay handled this the best way for the organization. This was better for Iggy than the Flames. Give a 4 team list make the best deal offered

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

With Iginla having no term on his contract beyond the rest of this short season, and the Pens being his choice, who would expect an "over the moon" return?

Just not getting the dismay from some people around here about the return. It was to be expected.

I guess in the end it is just frustration that the blindingly obvious to almost all outside of the organization was ignored to the point that they have all but given away the best asset the team had to start a rebuild.

[JurassicTunga12]

LOL at the Senators coach:

"I don't know why we are going to bother playing in the playoffs."

[Dorian_2]

Hey guys,

I'm a big Iggy fan and wish him very well in Pitts. Those guys are pretty stacked now!

As this looks like the start of a rebuild for you, I hope you can do a better/quicker job than Edmonton has. Oiler fans are really getting frustrated at this point as we are not seeing specific holes in the lineup "taken care of".

Hopefully with next years new divisions, we can see each other in the playoffs sooner rather than later.

Good luck with the rest of the year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Not really. He gave a list of 4, but has already admitted it was Pittsburgh or nothing. Feaster lost all leverage to make a decent deal after Shero knew this.

How did Shero know this?

[Enoch Root]

I think it is going to be very difficult for Agostino and Hanowski to ever be accepted by Flames fans.

If it were up to me, I would try to develop them along into the pro ranks, improve their value, and then try to include them as assets in trades for other picks.

Because they have a huge hill to climb here.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

its not like we don't know about our mid-round picks who are standing out as A-level prospects (i.e. JohnnyG, LB, Ferland...)

Ferland was invisible in the just ended WHL playoff series against the Medicine Hat Tigers, although he may have been nursing an injury.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why say you have a 4 team list then say you will only go to 1 team? What reason is bogus? If you don't like the Pitt deal tell Iggy they offered a horrible return and the Boston deal will help the franchise long term.

I don't see how anyone can say Jay handled this the best way for the organization. This was better for Iggy than the Flames. Give a 4 team list make the best deal offered

Did Iginla ever say he would agree to go to four teams? That was all speculated.

Again, he had a NTC and wanted to go to Pittsuburgh. Period. Are you somehow insinuating it's Feaster's fault for not twisting his arm into going to Boston? Come on.

We had no choice in the matter, other than to lose Iginla for nothing. Sorry, your blame is completely off base.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Take your own advice about not believing everything you hear as it pertains to Crosby not being consulted or talking to Iggy before. No one knows for sure.

So we should listen to people who have no connection to Crosby and take what they say at face value but not listen to Crosby when it comes from his own mouth? Uh, ok.

Face it, everything you're trying to say here is bunk.

I get that it's a frustrating situation, but you're using terrible logic to try and find and unjustifiable outlet.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

With Iginla having no term on his contract beyond the rest of this short season, and the Pens being his choice, who would expect an "over the moon" return?

Just not getting the dismay from some people around here about the return. It was to be expected.

We can rehash deals for pending UFAs at the deadline if you like, but this return is barely more than what Nashville paid for Paul Gaustad.

I wasn't expecting a Tkachuk or Hossa deal, but at least something that doesn't embarrass your franchise.

I was hoping for a return like the Guerin deal or Campbell deal (of which Iginla is a better player at this point).

We fell short.