[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Puppet Guy]

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by valo403

What's the direct quote? Did PC say "Jay Feaster refused to let me talk to Jarome Iginla"? Or, did he say "We asked to talk to Iginla and were told no"?

If you're taking the latter as a statement that Feaster refused to allow it you are quite clearly speculating on the source of the refusal.

No, as I've been reiterating this is coming directly from Chiarelli:
Reporter: "do you think there could have been anything the organization could have done to make it a tougher decision for Jarome?"
PC: "let me be clear on this: no one's talked to Jarome...we didn't talk to anyone on this other than [Feaster]. So...no, there's nothing we could have done to convince him."
Reporter: "would you have liked the opportunity to do that?..."
PC: "would I have liked that opportunity? Um... I did ask for that opportunity. I didn't get it."
Reporter: "so that's permitted?"
PC: "if you give permission, yeah."

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 52m
Peter Chiarelli asked permission from the Flames to speak with Jarome Iginla yesterday and was rebuffed. #BruinsTalk

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis 41m
Chiarelli said he requested to speak with Iginla on Wednesday, but the Flames turned down that request.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by octothorp

That's certainly a possibility. Maybe even the most likely one.
Here's another possibility though: the plan was always to have Iginla submit a list, for the team to then negotiate the best offer it can from each team on that list, have the organization approve all of the offers it can live with, and then from that short list, allow Iginla to make his choice.
So, Flames brass meets yesterday morning, Boston and Pittsburgh offers are approved, Iginla is given this short list, and from that he picks Pittsburgh. Through the process, Feaster is keeping his cards close to his vest, not telling the teams involved that Iginla would have final say, which would ruin his bargaining position. Boston learns they've been approved by the Flames, and not understanding the internal process they think this means they've won, they happily leak these rumours. Meanwhile, Iginla takes this decision home, meets with his family, choses Pittsburgh, and lets the organization know sometime during the game.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Feaster latest video:
http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=pipe42/lates...#pipe42/latest

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Yes! 1000x this.

I've half-typed that post out several times only to back out. Out of thanks for you.

My only quibble would be whether the competing teams would know whether Jarome would have the final say. Doesn't having a NMC/NTC clause ensure that he does? My expectation in this case is Boston didn't think there was a solid competing offer, and perhaps there wasn't because Pittsburgh a) had already acquired Morrow and b) made their offer very late.

From the Feaster video...

"We dealt with the teams given to us by the player and we had a deal with Boston that we liked. We certainly felt that was an acceptable way to go for us as an organization. The player indicated he wanted to be with Pittsburgh and so we got a deal done with Pittsburgh."

Jiri had it right all along.

[Eagle Eye]

This probably been answered somewhere in here, but I cant find it.

Why would there not be a conditional pick added to the deal in case Iginla does sign a contract. Could be something like a 2nd?

One big reason (other than the fact that there were very few teams bidding) of the offer being relatively low was due to the fact that he was a rental.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

This probably been answered somewhere in here, but I cant find it.

Why would there not be a conditional pick added to the deal in case Iginla does sign a contract. Could be something like a 2nd?

One big reason (other than the fact that there were very few teams bidding) of the offer being relatively low was due to the fact that he was a rental.

Team very likely has no interest (cap space) in signing him next season. If that's the case even discussing a conditional pick is pointless.

[puckluck2]

Very classy press conference by Chiarelli.

He didn't slight the Flames or Feaster once, and made it clear it was a player decision.

[Stay Golden]

After watching the Chiarelli presser it sounds like Feaster allowed Iginla to void the deal.
Not his words mine.
They even agreed we will scratch Koko and Bart and Feaster agreed to scratch Iginla so he could prepare for a presser etc and get to Boston. Said " that Feaster wanted allow Iginla the time to take it all in he was a pretty important player to the Calgary organization" was Chiarelli's actual statement.
It was in his words a firm agreement.

Just my gut tells me Meehan knew Iggy's first choice was PIT and he bent the Flames ear.

I hope Boston and Pit meet in the playoffs at some juncture. It will be a war.

[Milt Schmidt]

I have a lot more respect for Chiarelli and Feaster after seeing their comments. It's a tough situation when things happen in public like this, I think they both have showed a lot of class.

Milt

[HotHotHeat]

http://Instagram.com/p/XaYaWwOpJj/

Ouch.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

After watching the Chiarelli presser it sounds like Feaster allowed Iginla to void the deal.

Well Iginla didn't need Feaster's approval anyways.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by liamenator

No, as I've been reiterating this is coming directly from Chiarelli:
Reporter: "do you think there could have been anything the organization could have done to make it a tougher decision for Jarome?"
PC: "let me be clear on this: no one's talked to Jarome...we didn't talk to anyone on this other than [Feaster]. So...no, there's nothing we could have done to convince him."
Reporter: "would you have liked the opportunity to do that?..."
PC: "would I have liked that opportunity? Um... I did ask for that opportunity. I didn't get it."
Reporter: "so that's permitted?"
PC: "if you give permission, yeah."

Joe Haggerty ‏@HackswithHaggs 52m
Peter Chiarelli asked permission from the Flames to speak with Jarome Iginla yesterday and was rebuffed. #BruinsTalk

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis 41m
Chiarelli said he requested to speak with Iginla on Wednesday, but the Flames turned down that request.

And, as I've been reiterating, that could well have been an instruction from Iginla and Meehan. Neither of us know, so i'm not going to pretend to know one way or the other.

[Art Vandelay]

So happy for Iggy. He looks so excited to finally play with quality players.

On the other hand. Ken King should be fired. He and Sutter are responsible for building such a crap team that made it impossible for Iginla to want to re-sign here.

He should have retired as a Flame.

[djsFlames]

It's probably already been discussed here, but did anybody else hear about the Flames possibly pursuing Agostino and Hanoswki's line mates, who both also happen to be current top 10 NCAA free agents? Interesting. There could be more "return" to come from this.

As well as Dekeyser of course.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Anyone else get the feeling this is the route we're going down over the next 5 years?

Really no different from the past 3 years...

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

wesome deal. Giving up the face of the franchise for two players that will never make the NHL and a late first round pick, who Feaster will waste on another American player none of us have ever heard of and who will probably never make the NHL either. How is this a rebuild? Does Feaster understand that if the Flames finish last they don't automatically get the first overall pick?

This just reinforces majority of western Canada's ignorance of the quality of NCAA hockey. Do you remember who won tthe world juniors this past yr?

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Scooter

This just reinforces majority of western Canada's ignorance of the quality of NCAA hockey. Do you remember who won tthe world juniors this past yr?

Not the two guys we traded for?

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

http://Instagram.com/p/XaYaWwOpJj/

Ouch.

Dood.....

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by valo403

And, as I've been reiterating, that could well have been an instruction from Iginla and Meehan. Neither of us know, so i'm not going to pretend to know one way or the other.

You're moving goalposts. You originally accused me of 'reaching to point fingers' in suggesting the Flames made a mistake in refusing Chiarelli's request to speak to Iginla, that this order may very well have come from Iginla and Meehan. I've just demonstrated it is not at all a reach to conclude that the refusal was in fact made by the Flames. All signs point toward this being the case, incl. numerous media reports. In fact, Chiarelli's note about 'it's allowed if permission is granted' virtually confirms it was the Flames that rebuffed him, since agents don't grant permission, teams do.

Whether there was an order to refuse such requests came from Meehan and Iginla is purely speculative, and irrelevant to my claim about it being a mistake on Feaster's part, since he would have been under no obligation to respect their wishes.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Very classy press conference by Chiarelli.

He didn't slight the Flames or Feaster once, and made it clear it was a player decision.

Yeah he seemed to understand the situation.


It's to bad because the Boston trade was what i thought Iggy was worth. Once Iggy told feaster he wanted to go to Pitt, the odds of getting a return like Boston's was near 0.

Not hard to imagine when Feaster called Shero to negotiate at the late stages, that Shero knew what was up and had the flames bent over a barell.

[Canada 02]

Chiarelli made it clear, the 1st rounder was not conditional