[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Tinordi]

They had no leverage because the teams knew that quality of the deal was not the final determinant of the trade. Their deals weren't competing against each other, the quality of their rosters and their prospects for playoff success were what was.

That and the other teams knew the Flames had to trade Iginla or get nothing. So they offered more than nothing but not by a lot.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He just stated in the press conference it was not conditional. The "done deal" was Koko+Bartkowski+1st (firm).

Players choice, and he picked Pittsburgh.

Chiarelli isn't bitter or anything, says "these things happen" and adds how difficult all these NMC/NTC make trades.

since you are watching... was he angry? sad?

[silentsim]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Sounds like Boston is confirming it?



I'd like to see a link, if possible. (article/video/etc)

It just happened in the Chiarelli presser that was live, so im sure articles/clips will come out shortly.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You keep saying that with out backing it up.

Tell me how they had no leverage, when 3 teams were going for Iggy? None of those teams new Iggy was going to pick Pitt.

Without backing it up? For christ sake you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the situation. The Flames options were either pull the trigger or get nothing. All 3 of those teams knew it and undoubtedly made offers based upon that. The Flames also had to get Iginla to agree to a deal.

This was not a bidding war. This was 'tender your offers and hopefully Jarome will go to whoever makes the best one'.

Please tell me where the Flames were finding all the leverage to make your fanciful deals.

[liamenator]

So basically it seems that:
Flames and Bruins strike a deal at Noon. Agree to scratch all players involved.

Flames take deal to Iginla and Meehan, who choose not to sign-off immediately.

Dead period in the afternoon/early evening wherein Iginla and Meehan mull over the decision. (seems likely that at this point either they approach Shero or Shero approaches them and says: 'hold off. We'll make an offer').

Iginla goes to Feaster and says it's Pittsburgh and only Pittsburgh.

Flames take what they can get.

EDIT: Chiarelli did mention he asked permission to speak with Iginla during the day but was rebuffed. That does seem like a major mistake--if the best deal was Boston's, then you should let Chiarelli make a full-court press to convince the player. I can't understand why you wouldn't allow that.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Players choice, and he picked Pittsburgh.

This is what it ultimately came down to.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

since you are watching... was he angry? sad?

Nope. Dude was just about business. He respects Feaster, and understands how hard it is to trade players with NTC/NMC attached to their contracts.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by neo45

They had tons of leverage over Boston, but still agreed to a mediocre package.

The leverage was that if the Bruins didn't pay up for Iggy, he would go to Pitt who is the best team in the east, and has beaten Boston 5 times in a row.

That right there is tons of leverage, Feaster just couldn't use it to drive up the prices.

Who cares what leverage they had over Boston, Iginla picked Pittsburgh. Boston could have offered Seguin, Chara and our much loved Ference and it wouldn't have mattered.

[MoneyGuy]

Not much work being done today by Flames fans who are members here.

[Ozy_Flame]

Good lord I'm glad we didn't get Bartkowski. The though of a 5/6 depth defenseman as a return just makes me gag.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

What leverage? Temping them with Iggy when he decided to go to Pittsburgh?

Boston could have offered Bergeron, Chara, Seguin and their next 7 first round picks and the Flames couldn't have pulled the trigger unless Iggy waived his NMC to go there.

Ugghhhh Boston and Feaster agreed to a deal before Iggy chose Pitt. I'm judging that deal. You realize that right?

Feaster had leverage when he negotiated that deal, and it was still a crap deal

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by valo403

They. Had. No. Leverage.

Can't believe people can't get that through their heads.

It still doesn't adress the point of shipping someone along with Iginla to get a prospect that could be a core part of rebuild. Like Iginla + Brodie for Pouliot.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by neo45

They had tons of leverage over Boston, but still agreed to a mediocre package.

The leverage was that if the Bruins didn't pay up for Iggy, he would go to Pitt who is the best team in the east, and has beaten Boston 5 times in a row.

That right there is tons of leverage, Feaster just couldn't use it to drive up the prices.

Except if Iginla wouldn't waive to go to Boston the entire thing is moot.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by liamenator

So basically it seems that:
Flames and Bruins strike a deal at Noon. Agree to scratch all players involved.

Flames take deal to Iginla and Meehan, who choose not to sign-off immediately.

Dead period in the afternoon/early evening wherein Iginla and Meehan mull over the decision. (seems likely that at this point either they approach Shero or Shero approaches them and says: 'hold off. We'll make an offer').

Iginla goes to Feaster and says it's Pittsburgh and only Pittsburgh.

Flames take what they can get.

If your right, and assuming the 4 team list is correct, then Iginla broke his word and screwed the Flames royally.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

They had no leverage because the teams knew that quality of the deal was not the final determinant of the trade. Their deals weren't competing against each other, the quality of their rosters and their prospects for playoff success were what was.

That and the other teams knew the Flames had to trade Iginla or get nothing. So they offered more than nothing but not by a lot.

Out of thanks but wanted to quote this as it perfectly sums up the situation.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Good lord I'm glad we didn't get Bartkowski. The though of a 5/6 depth defenseman as a return just makes me gag.

As opposed to two no-name college players who may not even make the NHL?

What a puzzling comment.

[CaptainCrunch]

Chiarelli was extremely pissed in the press conference.

He basically stated that it was a hard draft pick.

That Feaster had informed him that he won the Iginla sweep stakes

That Feaster stopped returning phonecalls at 5 and sounds like he didn't hear back until the Penguins deal was done.

We had a done deal until the Flames went the Meehan.

Informed the Bruin players that they'd been traded.

He was very upset in the press conference, basically implied that Feaster and the Flames were bush league.

Move on and find other players.

A bit of egg on the face of the Flames here.

I doubt that he will accept anymore trade conversations with Feaster at this point.

[FlamesAddiction]

There you have it. It was Iginla's choice to take the Pittsburgh offer.

Not much Feaster could do except take a stand (which I personally would have been fine with, but most people would have freaked out about).

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You don't know any of that, that's just your assumption.

Ummm...what?

They were the ones making assumptions....obviously....and no one is making a larger assumption than youself in saying that the package would have gotten better had they waited. For all we know it may have disappeared completely.

You think the Boston deal was a better one? Fine...but when Iggy said its Pittsburgh, that was off the table.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It still doesn't adress the point of shipping someone along with Iginla to get a prospect that could be a core part of rebuild. Like Iginla + Brodie for Pouliot.

Why do a deal from a position of weakness when it might not even go through if the player nixes it?

Better to hold off and deal that guy separately in a deal of your choosing to a team of your choosing without restrictions.