[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st - Page 89 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

TKB · 03-28-2013, 11:11 AM

I love that Jay Feaster is the GM of the flames, please sign him to a 15 year extension!!!

moon · 03-28-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Time for a "I support Jay Feaster" thread.

Feaster has had his hands tied by Ken King and ownership. He's done the best he can with the options he's had to work with. I place the blame for the present day Flames and the Iginla situation totally on them... not Jay.

Jay has done good things with this club. He got the best deal out there for Iggy. He would have gotten more if he'd been allowed to trade Iggy two years ago... and I bet he wanted to.

Wake up folks... the problem with the team isn't the coach, the GM, or most of the players. Its upper management and their irrational love for Iginla.

It would be awesome to see that proof because everything Feaster and everyone else says is the exact opposite of this.

Flash Walken · 03-28-2013, 11:12 AM

Pretty simple here, Moon.

Boston offered Kokocrisps, Bartkowski and a conditional 1st rounder. The condition, obviously, would be predicated upon Iginla re-signing with the Bruins. This is essentially the same deal they offered to Dallas for Morrow without the condition on re-signing, kokocrisp and a 2nd.

Pittsburgh offered a lesser package without a conditional pick because they likely are uninterested in extending Iginla.

Jarome would have preferred pittsburgh the most but would have entertained an offer to Boston if it came with a contract extension for Iginla. When that wasn't happening, it wasn't a matter of which was the better offer, it was a matter of Where Does Iginla Want To Go. He wanted to go to Pittsburgh. "Pittsburgh was the team the player chose to waive for."

Zee · 03-28-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

What proof is there of owners stopping Feaster from doing want BS?

He has been very vocal about him believing in going for play-offs, he being a GM not for a rebuild and him thinking answers are in room/play-off team.

If Feaster didn't believe that and was just doing what ownership forced him to do then he is an idiot for being so forceful in expressing his views like he did.

No proof. We'll never have that proof. Biggest evidence of this was the about face Feaster did before last season's deadline.

Enoch Root · 03-28-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not sure how it works.

College players can't sign until they leave.

teams have their rights for 4 years. So if they play the full 4 years, teams have until August (I believe) to sign them or they are free agents.

bubbsy · 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM

Man this is a sad day.

afc wimbledon · 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Time for a "I support Jay Feaster" thread.

Feaster has had his hands tied by Ken King and ownership. He's done the best he can with the options he's had to work with. I place the blame for the present day Flames and the Iginla situation totally on them... not Jay.

Jay has done good things with this club. He got the best deal out there for Iggy. He would have gotten more if he'd been allowed to trade Iggy two years ago... and I bet he wanted to.

Wake up folks... the problem with the team isn't the coach, the GM, or most of the players. Its upper management and their irrational love for Iginla.

Feaster isn't working the Graveyard at a 7/11, a GM can, does and is supposed to force issues.
Ultimatly what makes Feaster a crap GM is because he accepts his role as a toady.

cannon7 · 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM

IF there was a better deal out there, it will probably get leaked. The Bruins leaked what they offered for B. Morrow, so maybe we'll see the same thing happen here.

moon · 03-28-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by valo403

The point is you're acting as if what is being said at the press conference is gospel. He clearly only wanted to go to a contender, and he obviously chose to go to the team that featured "the two best players in the world". Iginla had the ability to drive this deal, and he likely did to a substantial degree. Add in the contract status and the return is about what should have been expected.

The fact of the matter is that the Flames had no leverage and with each passing day had less leverage.

I should add that I don't blame Iginla for driving the deal at all. He earned that right.

I have said from the start that I don't know just my opinion that they could have got more.

I don't take anything as gospel and fully admit it is my opinion that they could have got more than two dud prospects and a pick. I could fully be wrong on this and have no problem saying that.

I understand that the Flames had very little leverage but considering the Pens are going for it now, being very aggressive and Iginla was by far the top guy available for them they also had a lot of motivation to make sure they made a deal for him.

I am not saying that Pittsburgh could have pressured into dealing there top prospect/s but I do think that if they thought that including a guy like Harrington (or whomever their roughly 5th ranked guy was) would be the difference in getting Iginla or not they would feel pressure to make that deal.

Bonded · 03-28-2013, 11:18 AM

Yeah, Feaster did not fulfill his formula of a top prospect + secondary prospect + and a first. Two secondary prospects at best.

moon · 03-28-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Pretty simple here, Moon.

Boston offered Kokocrisps, Bartkowski and a conditional 1st rounder. The condition, obviously, would be predicated upon Iginla re-signing with the Bruins. This is essentially the same deal they offered to Dallas for Morrow without the condition on re-signing, kokocrisp and a 2nd.

Pittsburgh offered a lesser package without a conditional pick because they likely are uninterested in extending Iginla.

Jarome would have preferred pittsburgh the most but would have entertained an offer to Boston if it came with a contract extension for Iginla. When that wasn't happening, it wasn't a matter of which was the better offer, it was a matter of Where Does Iginla Want To Go. He wanted to go to Pittsburgh. "Pittsburgh was the team the player chose to waive for."

But that doesn't mean they have to take whatever Pittsburgh offered right now and could have negotiatied to get a better return.

SilverGS · 03-28-2013, 11:19 AM

Hmm wonder what LA offered

valo403 · 03-28-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

I have said from the start that I don't know just my opinion that they could have got more.

I don't take anything as gospel and fully admit it is my opinion that they could have got more than two dud prospects and a pick. I could fully be wrong on this and have no problem saying that.

I understand that the Flames had very little leverage but considering the Pens are going for it now, being very aggressive and Iginla was by far the top guy available for them they also had a lot of motivation to make sure they made a deal for him.

I am not saying that Pittsburgh could have pressured into dealing there top prospect/s but I do think that if they thought that including a guy like Harrington (or whomever their roughly 5th ranked guy was) would be the difference in getting Iginla or not they would feel pressure to make that deal.

Just to be clear, the Flames options were a) make the deal, or b) get nothing. Nobody was upping their offers to a team that had no options.

valo403 · 03-28-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by moon

But that doesn't mean they have to take whatever Pittsburgh offered right now and could have negotiatied to get a better return.

Calgary was not in a position to hold out. What was going to change in 5 days? There was one team here who was risking getting nothing, that team doesn't have the luxury of waiting around.

Pointman · 03-28-2013, 11:22 AM

If it was the best Flames could get for Iginla alone, they should have offer Iginla+someone else for some real good prospect. Rebuild means acquiring assets you can build around. This trade was more about letting Iginla win the Cup and getting at least something in return.

Machiavelli · 03-28-2013, 11:22 AM

Quotes from Penguins players:

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.ht...t-twt-penguins

troutman · 03-28-2013, 11:22 AM

Did Ken King come on the Fan this morning as advertised? What did he say?

Rerun · 03-28-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Feaster isn't working the Graveyard at a 7/11, a GM can, does and is supposed to force issues.
Ultimatly what makes Feaster a crap GM is because he accepts his role as a toady.

He's not a toady. He's an employee who has signing authority on most things except Iginla. Iggy exceeded the dollar amount and required upper management approval.

He's no different than 99.9% of employees out there. Do you have carte blanch where you work? I bet not. Neither do I and because I don't should I quit my job? Nope... and neither will you.

MrMastodonFarm · 03-28-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Quotes from Penguins players:

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.ht...t-twt-penguins

I love how all of those quotes, from some of the best players in the world and by the GM that got him fly in the face of what the usual Iginla bashers love to trot out.

JiriHrdina · 03-28-2013, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointman

If it was the best Flames could get for Iginla alone, they should have offer Iginla+smth for some real good prospect. Rebuild means acquiring assets you can build around. This trade was more about letting Iginla win the Cup and getting at least something in return.

What does Smith add to any deal? How does that change anything?