The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[Bonded]

Get his ass out the door.

[-TC-]

I'm not happy right now...the presser made it sound like they weren't going to be offering Jarome a contract this summer

that's a mistake and it's going to alienate a lot of new-ish/casual fans of the Flames

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I'm not happy right now...the presser made it sound like they weren't going to be offering Jarome a contract this summer

that's a mistake and it's going to alienate a lot of new-ish/casual fans of the Flames

One of the things I noticed in the coverage last night was they said ownership has finally woken up and said there in no point in spending to the cap to finish last or close to it. The lightbulb finally went off I guess. Years too late.

[Samiz]

The last word was Iginla's. With regards to the Boston trade, it is possible that either of these things happened:

1. The first rounder was actually conditional on Iggy resigning, could've potentially been a disaster for Calgary
2. Iggy vetoed the trade

I think Jarome had a high preference to go to Pittsburgh to play with Crosby/Malkin. Maybe Feaster could get more from Pittsburgh, but I feel this will give Iggy the best chance to win the cup and reunite with his pal Crosby, so I'm not surprised if Feaster was cornered into the deal.

The prospects we received in the deal may or may not pan out to be solid regular NHLers, but it seems that Feaster and Weisbrod really like making gambles on players they feel good about (see Jankowski).

If the Flames actually wanted maximum value from Iginla, they should've traded him 3 years ago. I think that a deal similar to the Boston deal would've been the best possible return they could get at this point. The Pittsburgh return is less appealing but it's probably what Jarome wanted the most.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by -TC-

I'm not happy right now...the presser made it sound like they weren't going to be offering Jarome a contract this summer

that's a mistake and it's going to alienate a lot of new-ish/casual fans of the Flames

Sort of like how Brent wasnt' offered a contract. Likely wasn't looking to come back anyway.

[Flash Walken]

Feaster: In this instance, this was the move the player was willing to waive for.

Sounds like he wasn't going to waive for any team but Pittsburgh unless Boston was going to sign him. Sounds like they weren't going to and thus, Pittsburgh.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Reading some of the Eastern media they agree the trade was under valued but feel there was no other option.

Pittsburgh and Boston knew they were the only players in the negotiations, and both have smart enough GM's to see that Iginla is not the player he was three years ago.

Trades are made on value to the team now, not the past name recognition. Fact of the matter is Iginla is a key contributor on one of the worst teams in the league, is fourth on that team in scoring, and if you look at advanced metrics has terrible underlying numbers.

Flames still should have received more but with only two teams involved the Flames just didn't have the bargaining power to get full value. Especially once it was made pretty official Iginla was being shopped. You can't shop him and then just say screw it we will keep him, not with Iginla.

The issue with the return is not Feaster's fault, it's that Iginla should have been traded two trade deadline's ago.

Had Feaster waited another 6 days he may have squeezed out something else.

But the other way to look at it is if he waited and the Pens or Boston got Clowe then the need for Iginla diminishes a bit.

This is why NTC suck.

As MMF has said. I am glad it is done. Lets move on. This draft will be the most important and exciting in the team history.

[Hemi-Cuda]

not just this trade in particular, but has Feaster EVER been on the winning side in a deal? he inherited a Stanley Cup team in Tampa then proceeded to cripple them for years to come, and every move he's made as the Flames GM has been neutral at best and full ###### at worst

the man is just not a hockey guy. i don't care how many people he surrounds himself with, if the GM of your team doesn't have a mind for the game and a good eye for talent you're going nowhere

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

not just this trade in particular, but has Feaster EVER been on the winning side in a deal? he inherited a Stanley Cup team in Tampa then proceeded to cripple them for years to come, and every move he's made as the Flames GM has been neutral at best and full ###### at worst

the man is just not a hockey guy. i don't care how many people he surrounds himself with, if the GM of your team doesn't have a mind for the game and a good eye for talent you're going nowhere

Murray Edward's team.

[taxbuster]

I'm not sure if anyone complaining about the deal here has EVER had to make a deal in a no-win situation: Iggy was always in control of the process - he made the list, named the teams and limited them to 3. That gives Feaster zero leverage. If you think that holding out until the last moment would bring you more, you are also running the risk that the target teams acquire other players that they think will do them as well - and the Flames would then get nothing.

The collective overreaction is stunning, mind-numbing and somewhat silly. You're only going to get so much and you move on.

[GreenLantern2814]

Question. If Pierre McGuire was gm of this team, would we be better off or worse? Personally I think he pulls the trigger on morrow + first, which I have to assume Pittsburgh offered at one point

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

not just this trade in particular, but has Feaster EVER been on the winning side in a deal? he inherited a Stanley Cup team in Tampa then proceeded to cripple them for years to come, and every move he's made as the Flames GM has been neutral at best and full ###### at worst

the man is just not a hockey guy. i don't care how many people he surrounds himself with, if the GM of your team doesn't have a mind for the game and a good eye for talent you're going nowhere

Key point: look at Feasters history of dealing blue chip players, that being in Tampa.... he got crap all for Brad Richards. Scared the hell out of me that Jay Feaster would be the one marshaling the Flames best assets. But when it became clear after the ROR fiasco that he would still be here for the rest of the season, I just accepted we were gonna get screwed and I can't wait till the day we get a competent GM to start this rebuild.

Not to mention, he took a Stanley Cup winning team and ran it into a last place team within a few short years. We're headed down the same path, under the guidance of Jay Feaster.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Key point: look at Feasters history of dealing blue chip players, that being in Tampa.... he got crap all for Brad Richards. Scared the hell out of me that Jay Feaster would be the one marshaling the Flames best assets. But when it became clear after the ROR fiasco that he would still be here for the rest of the season, I just accepted we were gonna get screwed and I can't wait till the day we get a competent GM to start this rebuild.

Both Jarome Iginla and Brad Richards had NMCs.

You can't negotiate with a team when the player says I am only going here.

[Street Pharmacist]

Bombshell from Millions. Iginla family knew Pittsburgh was destination at 530MT. Chiarelli pulls Khokhlachev, Bartowski off ice after that, meaning they thought they were still in. Sounds like Feaster played Boston to drive price.

Change anyone's opinion of the deal now?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Key point: look at Feasters history of dealing blue chip players, that being in Tampa.... he got crap all for Brad Richards. Scared the hell out of me that Jay Feaster would be the one marshaling the Flames best assets. But when it became clear after the ROR fiasco that he would still be here for the rest of the season, I just accepted we were gonna get screwed and I can't wait till the day we get a competent GM to start this rebuild.

Feaster did bring in Boulin to Tampa did he not? Or was that Dudley?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Had Feaster waited another 6 days he may have squeezed out something else.

How do you know this?

Most teams probably have a certain amount of assets they are allowed to trade set aside. There are other players besides Iginla available. Waiting too long could have resulted in there being fewer option, not more.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

How do you know this?

Most teams probably have a certain amount of assets they are allowed to trade set aside. There are other players besides Iginla available. Waiting too long could have resulted in there being fewer option, not more.

I think TOTF was painting the picture that was the upside and risk of trying to delay the deal.
You may have gotten more.
You may have gotten less.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think TOTF was painting the picture that was the upside and risk of trying to delay the deal.
You may have gotten more.
You may have gotten less.

There is no question if Boston or Pittsburgh pulls the trigger on other deals you get less.

Arguably not pulling the trigger earlier hurt the return.

Not pulling the trigger during the summer probably hurt the return.

[moon]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Feaster did bring in Boulin to Tampa did he not? Or was that Dudley?

Dudley.

Khabibulin was traded in 2001 and Feaster took over in 2002.

[Tinordi]

The Flames organization needs to read Kahneman's book THinking Fast and Slow, explaining the senescence that has happened to this organization is explained by prospect theory.

Flames were bad 3 years ago, noticeably bad, they only really had bad options at that point, ride it out and hope the team somehow turns it around or sell off your players and take the bitter pill. There were no good options.

When a decision maker is in this situation they to become MORE risk seeking. Instead of cutting their losses and minimizing their pain, the agent will actually pursue less likely riskier scenarios that have higher payoffs.

The analogy is that you've bought a house and it's going down in price, all signs in the market are that the price declines will continue. For a rational agent the proper decision would be to sell the house immediately and cut your losses. For a human decision maker they will most likely choose to hold onto the house and hope that house prices turn around, or they spend more money to renovate the house and try to increase it's resale value. This behaviour is widely observed in behavioural studies and it's what has afflicted the Flames management.