[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[Rocky Raccoon]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

So you are suggesting the Flames clear house of the management staff a week before the trade deadline? Talk about making it impossible for a new regime to take over.

Also you do know Weisbrod was a pro hockey player himself right? And he was the head scout for the Devils before he ever worked in the NBA. In fact he only ever got a job in the NBA because the IHL team he was running was shut down and the ownership moved him to the NBA team they owned.

With respect to the first paragraph: no, don't try and pass your assumptions off as truth. I feel that this shouldn't be the group restructuring the team. They should have been let go a couple of weeks ago at the latest and that is plenty of time for a new group of professionals to take over and do a good job. They are professionals after all and it's not as though whoever came in wasn't following hockey; they would know what to do. At best I hope it is changed early in the off-season but if ownership is allowing this current group to make these changes know, it's a safe bet they will be the group restructuring in the off-season as well.

With respect to the second paragraph: yes, I am fully aware of that and it doesn't change my opinion.

I really don't care how you feel about the situation but I respect how you feel, so kindly respect how I feel.

[MoreDrank]

With the paradigm shift starting with moving Iggy out, other pieces will move out and with any luck we'll be able to pick up some other 1st rounders elsewhere (higher ones too). The Iginla package doesn't look impressive based on what the Flames got back from the Pens. Sure. But the shift into a new direction means the Flames are free to move any asset for future value. That's a positive for me. And I might live to see Jarome hoist the cup. It's a win.

[azzarish]

Seemed weird driving in to town this morning.

Like a subdued atmosphere has engulfed the city.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Some thoughts from me the morning after
- Sounds like Iginla may have been the one to pick the Pitt deal not the Flames
- This is a bullet in the chamber deal. The Flames lack assets across the entire organization. They get 3 some good pieces back in this deal. How many work out remains to be seen of course. The first is the most important asset.
- Lots of talk about the two kids not being amongst the Pens’ top 10 prospects. Even if true, they probably rank in the five-ish area for Calgary. Friedman had a good point as well that once you move past the elite prospects, it is really hard to rank everyone else.
- I don’t know much about the two kids, but as noted last night, both are known for high hockey IQ – which is what Weisbrod seems to focus on
- The Flames seem to have done a good job with the college kids they have drafted – so hopefully they have good reads on these guys

I’m thrilled the organization is moving on. The return is not great, but expected, and the price they pay for not having the sack to do it sooner.



Hearing Pete break up on the Fan this morning, probably was the first time the emotional part of this hit home for me.

This post is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can keep telling yourself that what we got was good, but it doesn't mean its true.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Table 5

If it's true that the Boston deal fell through because of their insistence on making the 1st a conditional, I'm glad they got stiffed. Go condition your mothers, you effin beaners.

Brilliant. I haven't been around these parts for a long time, but this is funny shinguard.

So anyone know who asked for trade? Feaster or Iggy? Feaster says its him, but he could be taking a bullet for someone else.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Did Feaster say in the press conference yesterday that the Flames aren't done wheeling and dealing for the deadline?

Pretty much. He said that the Flames are looking to stockpile assets. I assume that means a few more PhD's and Phi Beta Kapas are coming our way.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Article from the Pens page talking about Shero's side of the deal..



http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.ht...id=DL|PIT|home

Sounds like the 1st rounder was the most important aspect and if the Bruins were only offering a conditional pick, well that's really insulting given past precedence.

A part of me is happy he went to the Pens cause I didn't like how the Bruins lowballed the Flames here and yes I value tht first more than koklachev, who is small, not like Tarasenko, and still has the khl flight risk.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I would also like to see Jarome win a cup, just not this year. My hope now is that Pittsburgh falters terribly and the pick the Flames received is closer to 20 than it is to 30.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

This post is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can keep telling yourself that what we got was good, but it doesn't mean its true.

Said the pot to the kettle.

You can keep telling yourself that what we got was crap, but that doesn't mean it's true either.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Here's my issue - why did it take Feaster 2.5 years of watching this garbage hockey team before he FINALLY tries to swing it around??
That, IMO is a reason why I want to see Feaster AND the rest of Flames' management hang.

It was obvious this was a horrible team, and the Flames sat on it, and now will be full scorched earth since they will not be getting value for their assets.

This Management team (King included) should be proud, they have completed what looked to be the impossible - they have become a bigger joke than the K-Lown show in Edmonton.

Way to go King & Feaster, you cowardly morons.

Got to include ownership with this as well.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

This post is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can keep telling yourself that what we got was good, but it doesn't mean its true.

The funny thing is that nowhere in the post did I say "what we got is good".

One needs to look at the context of the situation to understand why the return was what it was.

The organization is paying for past mistakes - namely not doing this sooner.

[DuffMan]

Iggy chose playing with Crosby and a very very good chance of winning the cup, over Boston, and we got what we got. That's what we get for wanting him gone.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I’m thrilled the organization is moving on. The return is not great, but expected, and the price they pay for not having the sack to do it sooner. .

this is what ticks me off the most about our management. they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to see that the Flames are a bad hockey team in desperate need of real change for the past 3-4 years. they only finally accept this fact when the Flames are hovering around dead last in the league and they can't ignore the truth any longer. and now the returns coming back are nowhere near what could have been if someone had the balls to start the rebuild with some foresight instead of being forced into it

[M*A*S*H 4077]

I've been one of the people thinking we had to trade Iggy for a while. But you wake up this morning and something just doesn't feel right.

Feels like your heart got ripped out (and i was never his biggest fan).

Go Iggy Go

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The funny thing is that nowhere in the post did I say "what we got is good".

One needs to look at the context of the situation to understand what the return was what it was.

The organization is paying for past mistakes - namely not doing this sooner.

The latest bumbling blunder set in motion years before having to reap the consequences.

I am surprised/happy they ended up getting a first when all was said and done.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

this is what ticks me off the most about our management. they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to see that the Flames are a bad hockey team in desperate need of real change for the past 3-4 years. they only finally accept this fact when the Flames are hovering around dead last in the league and they can't ignore the truth any longer. and now the returns coming back are nowhere near what could have been if someone had the balls to start the rebuild with some foresight instead of being forced into it

Absolutely - and this deal probably hammers home that frustration for most fans.

But hopefully it is now the start of a different approach.

[Burner]

and how is Pittsburgh going to keep Iginla with the lowering of the cap next year and having Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Letang etc etc?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Absolutely - and this deal probably hammers home that frustration for most fans.

But hopefully it is now the start of a different approach.

we hope.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Burner

and how is Pittsburgh going to keep Iginla with the lowering of the cap next year and having Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Letang etc etc?

Friedman speculated they won't.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Said the pot to the kettle.

You can keep telling yourself that what we got was crap, but that doesn't mean it's true either.

And you can keep telling yourself that Feaster is making the right moves, it doesn't mean its true.