[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[browna]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

I've also lost some respect for Iginla as well, and it's a terrible way to end a great 15 years. Once he gave his list, he shouldn't have had any negotiation power. I get why he went to the Pens instead of Boston, but he was willinf to waive his NMC anyway to go to Boston and should have let the Flames get the best deal available. He shouldn't have been driving the trade.

Still, can't hate a guy who was an icon to the city and tje franchise. But the way he left certainly left a bitter taste in my mouth.

To be quite honest, at this point, I'm willing to have more faith in decision of our HOF, departing captain to pick the better return of players (of course totally unintentional) than the "preference" of Feaster/King/Edwards and whoever else is running the show. Think of it as a final gift.

As the Seinfeld episode goes for King and Edwards and Feaster, regarding the last couple years..."if every decision you've ever made has been wrong, doing the opposite must be correct".

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

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This.

I will always love the team but any of you acting like Iginla was out of line for wanting to get out of dodge while he's still able to contribute to a team with a legit shot at a cup have another thing coming.

Honestly, David Frigging Moss and Blake Friggen Comeau had a shot (out of sheer desperation) centering our top line this season and last.

That revolving door of grinders/wingers and 2b centres that they tried to pair with Iggy was nothing other than blatant failure in drafting, trading and managing this team.

It's no surprise we're in shambles now and Iginla had every right to move on.

The handful of posters confused about the quality of the return for a guy who's contract expires at the end of this season is also really puzzling. Getting a late first was just about what could be expected. A crap shot in the two prospects is par for the course.

IMO the best thing in all of this is seeing Iginla getting to play with Crosby and having a very good shot at the cup. Good for him. He deserves it.

Should Feaster not have sought out the Pens 2 best prospects in return for Iginla who will help them win the cup or settle for their 10th and 12th ranked prospects?

Here are a few Flames prospects lets say the Flames have 50 points and are a Cup favorite instead are Gm's going to trade their 35 yr old star for Greg Nemitz and Roman Horak and a 1st i doubt it or are the going to demand Sven and Reinhart.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by browna

To be quite honest, at this point, I'm willing to have more faith in decision of our HOF, departing captain to pick the better return of players (of course totally unintentional) than the "preference" of Feaster/King/Edwards and whoever else is running the show. Think of it as a final gift.

As the Seinfeld episode goes for King and Edwards and Feaster, regarding the last couple years..."if every decision you've ever made has been wrong, doing the opposite must be correct".

Don't get me wrong, I don't resent Iginla for choosing Pittsburgh, I would too, and maybe he does deserve to be a little selfish after all these years. But if he gave his consent to be traded to either Bos or Pitt, team should be able to take the best available offer.

But I don't blame Iginla, I blame that moron that is the GM. If the rumours are true (and they seem plausiable), we could have gotten Morrow + 1st. I think everyone here thought that would be a fair offer. (IIRC correctly, it was Maata + 1st + TK)
What the hell was Feaster thinking? That Boston would give up Hamilton maybe?! For the life of me, I can't understand why he waited. It was obvious that that was the best offer we could get for a 35 year old rental...

So now, instead a a young, potential 4 d-man, we got 2 prospects whose upsides at most are 3rd liners...

Imagine how much Feaster's gonna get bent over with Bouwmeester, Glencross....

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Should Feaster not have sought out the Pens 2 best prospects in return for Iginla who will help them win the cup or settle for their 10th and 12th ranked prospects?

Here are a few Flames prospects lets say the Flames have 50 points and are a Cup favorite instead are Gm's going to trade their 35 yr old star for Greg Nemitz and Roman Horak and a 1st i doubt it or are the going to demand Sven and Reinhart.

Seek out?

He could have sought out Crosby and Malkin. Where does that get him?

Iginla has little value with no contract term remaining, and he forced the Flames hand with the teams he would agree to go to.

We're lucky we didn't end up with what Nashville got for Suter.... IE nothing.

Not sure what part you're missing in this?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I think this guy is a Bruins fan...and I think he's mad...like MAD.

***LANGUAGE***

NSFW!

LOL, Fantastic rant.

In other words, Boston fans are sweating and their GM really feeling the heat.
Let's hope this starts an arms race.

We got Cammalleri, we got Glencross, we got Tanguay, we even got Stempniak. We got Bouwmeester with more points than any D in Boston this season.

I would guess Montreal fans are itching for something too.

Make it happen Feaster. Sell, baby sell. We've got the goods.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Seek out?

He could have sought out Crosby and Malkin. Where does that get him?

Iginla has little value with no contract term remaining, and he forced the Flames hand with the teams he would agree to go to.

We're lucky we didn't end up with what Nashville got for Suter.... IE nothing.

Not sure what part you're missing in this?

Brendan Morrow got a 20 year old, top 4 potential d-man.
Jarome Iginla, consistent 30+ goal scorer, only 1 year older, brings the same intangibles as Morrow, has no value?

Fact is, Feaster should have traded Iginla before Pens got Morrow. As a GM (ie. IT"S HIS JOB) he should have known Iginla wouldn't fetch more than a good prospect + pick + roster player. And again, considering Shero gave away Joe Morrow for Brendan, there is no reason to think he wouldn't have added a pick and got Iginla instead.

Morrow + 1st round pick + Kennedy or this crap we got? I know what I would choose.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Brendan Morrow got a 20 year old, top 4 potential d-man.
Jarome Iginla, consistent 30+ goal scorer, only 1 year older, brings the same intangibles as Morrow, has no value?

Where did I say no value? I said very little when compared to Golden asking about the Pens best prospects.

We got a late first round pick.

And Morrow is a "potential" top four d-man.

We got a first round pick, and two "potential" top six forwards".

Acting like Morrow is a home run / huge upgrade over what we ended up getting couldn't be more presumptuous at this point.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Where did I say no value? I said very little when compared to Golden asking about the Pens best prospects.

We got a late first round pick.

And Morrow is a "potential" top four d-man.

We got a first round pick, and two "potential" top six forwards".

Acting like Morrow is a home run / huge upgrade over what we ended up getting couldn't be more presumptuous at this point.

I understand all prospects are a gamble. Don't know why we couldn't get better than two guys who aren't even listed in the pens HF page. The guaranteed first is good though, even if it is 30th.

EDIT: apparently it's because they're already on ours. And after reading the write ups, I don't really hate either of them. Ah well. Thank god we have more tradeable assets.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Where did I say no value? I said very little when compared to Golden asking about the Pens best prospects.

We got a late first round pick.

And Morrow is a "potential" top four d-man.

We got a first round pick, and two "potential" top six forwards".

Acting like Morrow is a home run / huge upgrade over what we ended up getting couldn't be more presumptuous at this point.

Prospects ARE a gamble, and it is the same thing with Morrow, I'm not denying that.
But Morrow does have potential to be a top 4 dman. He was drafted in the first round for a reason.

And where did you get that Agostino and Hanowski are potential 6 forwards? Every scouting report says their potential is 3rd line wingers.With Agostino maybe becoming a 2nd liner.

IMO, Morrow has a much higher upside.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Prospects ARE a gamble, and it is the same thing with Morrow, I'm not denying that.
But Morrow does have potential to be a top 4 dman. He was drafted in the first round for a reason.

And where did you get that Agostino and Hanowski are potential 6 forwards? Every scouting report says their potential is 3rd line wingers.With Agostino maybe becoming a 2nd liner.

IMO, Morrow has a much higher upside.

I read that they have 2nd line potential, but that really couldn't matter any less at this point.

Arguing whether they have 2nd / 3rd line potenatil vs. Morrow's top-4 d-man potential is futile at this point, and it reeks of just wanting something to complain about.

There is no way to point at Morrow and conclude he's better than the late first round pick + 2 forward prospects.

At the end of the day, those who are trying to do so are just venting in my opinion. Venting because we didn't get the return for Iginla we would have had we traded him when he had term remaining on his contract.

Thems the brakes.

We gambled and lost. We ended up building a small, soft roster with absolutely no depth at centre. That facilitated the loss of Jarome Iginla for very little return when all was said and done.

[djsFlames]

imo (just like the opinions of many media guys)

You go for the A+ Prospect / Pick anyday over the 2x B prospects / Pick

Sure, both the kids seem good. But you maybe should have taken 1 who is a great prospect instead.

I have faith in what the 1st rounder could become, though. There is a lot of potential for break out players late in the first round this draft.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I understand all prospects are a gamble. Don't know why we couldn't get better than two guys who aren't even listed in the pens HF page. The guaranteed first is good though, even if it is 30th.

Because we got their first round pick and because Iginla is a free agent that could in theory, bolt from the Pens in nine weeks time.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I think this guy is a Bruins fan...and I think he's mad...like MAD.

***LANGUAGE***

NSFW!

this has got to be one of the funniest things i have seen in weeks.

[The Eliminator]

After looking at the options, Despres, Harrington, Maata and Pouliot would've been awesome to get but difficult to pry for a pending UFA. However, Brian Dumoulin, a former teammate of Johnny Gaudreau at Boston College, an American defenceman would've filled a hole in the organization of a puck moving defenceman that is pro-ready. Disappointed that we couldn't get him.
Also looking at Hanowski teammates last year at St. Cloud State University it includes current prospect David Eddy so they were most likely scouting Hanowski before

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

I read that they have 2nd line potential.

Regardless, arguing whether they have 2nd / 3rd line potenatil vs. Morrow's top-4 d-man potential is futile at this point, and it reeks of just wanting something to complain about.

There is no way to point at Morrow and conclude he's better than the late first round pick + 2 forward prospects.

At the end of the day, those who are trying to do so are just venting in my opinion. Venting because we didn't get the return for Iginla we would have had we traded him when he had term remaining on his contract.

Thems the brakes.

We gambled and lost. At the end of the day this team built a small, soft roster with absolutely no depth at centre. That facilitated the loss of Jarome Iginla for very little return when all was said and done.

Morrows was considered in the Pens organisation as one of their best prospects...Agostino and Hanowski weren't even in the top 10. So yeah, Morrow might not ever reach that potential, but he's a much better prospect and top 4 d-men are a hell of o lot harder to acquire via trade or free agency. On the other hand, 3rd line wingers....

Heck, I might not even have that much of a problem with this trade if Feaster/Weisbrood saw something in these guys and said we want them. Like Jankowski, they had their mind set on him and drafted him ahead of guys like Maata.
They seem to me like throw ins by Shero.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Morrows was considered in the Pens organisation as one of their best prospects...Agostino and Hanowski weren't even in the top 10. So yeah, Morrow might not ever reach that potential, but he's a much better prospect and top 4 d-men are a hell of o lot harder to acquire via trade or free agency. On the other hand, 3rd line wingers....

Wow... where is the mention of the 1st round pick??

You're talking like we had a choice between Morrow and Agostino and Hanowski.

Once again, you can go on and on making it seem like it's a travesty choosing between Morrow and those two... but the fact of the matter is all three of them are giant question marks.

The late first round pick + the 2 forward prospects is what were traded for... and for the 3rd time, considering Iggy got to pick where he went and can walk away from the Pens in nine weeks for nothing... we're lucky we got that much.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well went to bed before the swap of Boston for Pittsburgh. Return is I guess technically better because the first is guaranteed, otherwise it's still about right. Unfortunetly the return was never going to be acceptable, the NMC is a foolish thing to give out and this should once again reinforce that. If Boston really was an option there is no way the Flames couldn't leverage possibly trading Iginla to Pittsburgh to get a better deal out of Boston, but they couldn't do anything. Feaster seems to like his American college players for sure.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Wow... where is the mention of the 1st round pick??

You're talking like we had a choice between Morrow and Agostino and Hanowski.

Once again, you can go on and on making it seem like it's a travesty choosing between Morrow and those two... but the fact of the matter is all three of them are giant question marks.

The late first round pick + the 2 forward prospects is what were traded for... and for the 3rd time, considering Iggy got to pick where he went and can walk away from the Pens in nine weeks for nothing... we're lucky we got that much.

I agree with much of what you are saying. There is a big overreaction in blaming Feaster, had he pulled the trigger sooner perhaps the Flames would have gotten Morrow and a 1st, but Feaster was hoping the price would go up because in the past as you approach the deadline the prices have increased.

Unfortunately the Penguins were able to pull the trigger on a Morrow deal and the Bruins were in the mix for Morrow and then Clowe so Feaster was more or less forced to pull the trigger sooner than later.

Feaster took a gamble and lost, but its not the end of the world.

Personally the more I read about Agostino the more I like that acquisition, he might not be in the same group as Morrow or Khokhlachev but I think he is much better than he is getting credit for. He looks like he is a late bloomer and one of the top players in the ECAC with a year left.

[Deegee]

Don't know why Feaster is taking a beating for the return.

This is exactly what happens when you trade players with a NTC or NMC.

The Flames need to stop handing those out.

[indes]

I think the prospects are going to be mediocre players for us but they were so off the radar it seems like they could've been had for someone else besides iginla, personally I think feaster should resign because he's clearly outclassed in the gm world