[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I would say the flames don't know if the have a goaltending depth issue or not. They have know idea how Ramo will be back in the NHL, they don't know if Kipper will be back next year, and the rest of the goalie prospects are 3-5 years away.

Which is perfect, because this team is at least 3-5 years away. Let's not put the wagon in front of the horse.

We have time to see if we can develop a goalie and there seems to be some indication that it is going to possible.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

1000% agree with this post. The Flames brass had better not once again forget and overlook the glaring weakness with this team for over a decade and its not in goal.

[Vinny01]

Cervenka = best forward/player in the KHL that is not in North America
Ramo = best goalie in the KHL that is not in North America

Maybe the Flames and pro scouts are worried Ramo is going to be fairly mediocre just like Roman and want a goalie replacement ASAP. Especially if they were informed that Kipper is done after this year.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

1000% agree with this post. The Flames brass had better not once again forget and overlook the glaring weakness with this team for over a decade and its not in goal.

Flames are not getting back a franchise center in a trade for Iggy.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

I think it would depend on the rest of the package. Also, you can't look at prospects by just position, but as assets. The Flames appear to have a lot of depth in goal, but I'd rather take Bernier as a main piece of a package than a centre who may not be valued as high. (Of course, I'd rather have a top end centre prospect, but I think it's more about value than position.)

[Bar-Down]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

1000% agree with this post. The Flames brass had better not once again forget and overlook the glaring weakness with this team for over a decade and its not in goal.

Kipper is 36 and if he retires, then yes, we have a big need in goal. Nothing we have is even close to a sure thing at this point.

I dont want to be one of those teams thats good in 3 years after a rebuild and has shoddy goaltending, very frustrating.

[Har-Calgary]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Kipper is 36 and if he retires, then yes, we have a big need in goal. Nothing we have is even close to a sure thing at this point.

I dont want to be one of those teams thats good in 3 years after a rebuild and has shoddy goaltending, very frustrating.

I would much rather be that team than a team that has good goaltending but doesn't get enough from the skaters in front. Maybe our goaltending situation isn't great without Kipper, but even still, I'm sick of being the latter.

[return to the red]

Dear god I hope something gets done soon, these discussions have come full circle about 8 times over

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by fotze

All good goaltending on a junk team does is ensure you draft 10 places worse every year.

So your plan would be to have Irving and MacDonald next year so they draft 1st?

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think Feaster has 'built around' Iginla for the last 2 seasons. The Flames haven't been trying to get a #1 center to play with him, they are not trading away future pieces for vets. They seem to have been employing a strategy of building for the future (taking Jankowski for the 'home run' who needs a few years of development at least over selecting another player that could help sooner was a great example of this).

Either way, the Flames are building towards the future, and adding pieces that should be around by the time they hope to be finished. All their FA acquisitions have been in the mid to late 20's, and there is an emphasis on drafting in this organization. Jarome staying doesn't mean that the team will not rebuild, or that they will build around Iginla - merely they will just continue to do what they are doing with an aim of staying competitive and building for the future.

I think you are misinterpreting Feaster's moves. The way I see it is that when Feaster took over as GM, he saw that Iginla had a few years of productivity left. That's why 2 summers ago Feaster tried to sign Brad Richards. They recently tried to acquire Ryan O'Reilly, whom Feaster believed to be a "franchise player" so presumably he was a #1 center to play with Iginla, but he was young to boot. Hudler turned 29 this year and Wideman turned 30 this year. Richards was just 31 when Feaster tried to sign him. They acquired Cammalleri. These were deals for the present and for the near future. Also, Feaster acknowledged that Weisbrod suggested trading the team's 1st round pick before Weisbrod saw Jankowski.

I'm not suggesting that Feaster is mortgaging the future for the present or building the future around Jarome. No. But Feaster has thus far emphasized the ability of acquisitions to contribute to the present. If the focus is on drafting and the future he would not have traded 2nd round picks in the Regehr and Cammalleri deal.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Muta

Another thing I hope Feaster is considering - the marketing potential for Iggy's new team would be off the charts. Merchandise sales, advertising, etc.

I hope Feaster informs any potential suitors that this is another benefit of acquiring Iginla. His value off the ice will be huge.

Let's face it, he's not the player he once was. He's still great, but unlikely to challenge for the Art Ross, etc..If traded to another team, he's likely to be the 3rd or 4th best player, as oppossed to the face of the franchise.

The marketing potential just isn't there the same way it is in Calgary.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by miraisoup

@Hockey_tracker 1m
LA Times reports the #LAKings are unlikely to make a serious pitch for #Flames Jarome Iginla due to cap considerations

And there goes that.

I'm sorry, but her logic is just terrible. She is talking about the cap for next season, where Iginla's cap hit is zero. I highly doubt the LA kings pursued Iginla, only to be like:

"Wait, I forgot about the salary cap!"

and back off their offer, they know what they are doing and the cap isn't going to affect the interest in Iginla, they can easily fit him in right now

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There's no way that Ramo comes across the ocean as a backup, he might as well stay in the KHL and be a starter.

Trading for Bernier would be singularly stupid, we don't have a goaltending depth issue.

So the Flames should just guarantee him the starting job? That's not how good teams operate. If he doesn't feel confident enough in his abilities to competed for a starting job maybe he should stay in Russia. It's not like Cervenka has been handed ice time when he's not been good and Ramo has to understand it will be the same for him.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FAN

I'm not suggesting that Feaster is mortgaging the future for the present or building the future around Jarome. No. But Feaster has thus far emphasized the ability of acquisitions to contribute to the present. If the focus is on drafting and the future he would not have traded 2nd round picks in the Regehr and Cammalleri deal.

Fans vastly overate 2nd round picks. Rarely do they become impact players. Having two more Horaks in the system was not going to save this team.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

So your plan would be to have Irving and MacDonald next year so they draft 1st?

Taylor.

He gives us a great shot at #1 overall.

Might be able to get us there on his own if given 60 games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fans vastly overate 2nd round picks. Rarely do they become impact players. Having two more Horaks in the system was not going to save this team.

Should we dismiss Sieloff and Granlund because they were 2nd round picks? They both have potential to be more than just depth players.

[moon]

Originally Posted by blankall

Fans vastly overate 2nd round picks. Rarely do they become impact players. Having two more Horaks in the system was not going to save this team.

Neither is having Butler, Byron, Ramo, Cammy or Regehr.

At least the 2nds have the potential to help this team at some point.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

Taylor.

He gives us a great shot at #1 overall.

Might be able to get us there on his own if given 60 games.

Sure you can add him to the mix if you would like.

Any of those 3 goalies going forward as our starter should get us a #1 pick for the next couple of years.

[Schultzie]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

Just to stir the pot a little.

...or a lot.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Muta

Another thing I hope Feaster is considering - the marketing potential for Iggy's new team would be off the charts. Merchandise sales, advertising, etc.

I hope Feaster informs any potential suitors that this is another benefit of acquiring Iginla. His value off the ice will be huge.

Meh, I don't really buy that. He's only going to a good team....so chances are that team will already have a franchise player or three to build any sort of marketing plan around. Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin, Chara, Seugin, Brown, Richards, Doughty... plenty of drawing power there. Those teams are already selling out at the moment anyway...does anyone really think Chicago or LA need a marketing boost?

This is not Iggy of 10 years ago where he was a young face of the league. Sure, a new team might get a boost, but to call it "off the charts" is in the realm of fantasy imo.