[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[devo22]

Originally Posted by moon

I know that Esposito is an easy target to go after when talking about deadline deals but Alex Plante was drafted 1 spot after Shattenkirk. It isn't crazy to think that those two could have swapped spots and the Oilers end up with Shattenkirk for Smyth which would have been a great deal.

also, Pacioretty was drafted 2 spots behind Esposito. Esposito just didn't pan out and is now the poster boy for "don't make rental trades" posts. Could have easily gone differently though.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know some people say that anything is better than nothing, but I don't necessarily agree. If you are fairly certain that the "anything" is going to amount to nothing anyway, then it just doesn't matter. You might as well stick to your guns and not get pushed over - the long term implications are worse if you do. Every GM in the league will just hold out waiting for you to cave in the future if they know you give in easily.

How can you be CERTAIN that the "anything" is going to amount to nothing? That makes no sense. It's not like Iginla is worth late round picks and 4th line scrubs. He's likely going to go for at least a late first round pick.

You seem to think that there is only one team willing to trade for Iginla and that one team is offering something like a 3rd round pick take it or leave it or worse, and if Feaster accepts it he's going to be seen as a pushover. That's just silly. There will certainly be more than one team willing to trade for Iginla. While I'm not suggesting that there is going to be some sort of high-stakes bidding war, there will be offers and Feaster coming right out and saying he's going to trade Iginla on Iginla's list and he's going to go to the team who offers the most. If Feaster then accepts what ends up to be the best offer, that does not make him a pushover. It's like asking contractors to submit their bids and then accepting the best offer.

If the Flames decide to trade Iginla, it's not going to be "We're only going to trade Iginla if the deal makes sense" but "We'll trade him for the best available package".

[l33t_hax0r]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I really hope that people on this site get ready for all the outcomes possible. I'd love a massive return that sets up the Flames for a decade, I really would.

But I'm also preparing for two other scenarios

1) he walks for nothing

and because of that

2) a trade where they don't do as well as I'd like but it's greater that 1)

I think that's the perspective that's needed in all this, or this site will come apart at the seems by Wednesday.

If Feaster can't get a suitable return for him, isn't it possible that it's claimed he was never for sale and option 3 - retirement contract with the Flames is signed either now or in the off-season?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by moon

I know that Esposito is an easy target to go after when talking about deadline deals but Alex Plante was drafted 1 spot after Shattenkirk. It isn't crazy to think that those two could have swapped spots and the Oilers end up with Shattenkirk for Smyth which would have been a great deal.

If people aren't willing to trade Iginla and others because late 1st's and 2nd rounders will just get wasted by this management group it is probably time to can the management right now.

Plenty of valuable guys have come from those picks and the chance of getting someone from those picks is more valuable than keeping old pieces that have shown they are not leading this team to the Cup in the next 5 years.

People have to realize that getting a draft pick in a trade is only half of the picture as it's what the team does with the pick that counts in the end. I believe a top player can be had with a late first round pick but that's in the hands of the Flames and their scouts to find that player. Gaudreau was had for a 2nd round pick so as long as the Flames make the pick count they can get something out of just getting picks. Good drafting separates good teams from bad ones and more important than trade returns the Flames need to draft good and getting more picks helps their odds.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by l33t_hax0r

If Feaster can't get a suitable return for him, isn't it possible that it's claimed he was never for sale and option 3 - retirement contract with the Flames is signed either now or in the off-season?

Doubt it. If you look at the at the time line of what both sides have said since the summer, it becomes pretty obvious that Iggy has chosen to go. Flames have never waivered from the fact they wanted Iggy in Calgary for the rest of his career. Iggy on the other hand, as of 10 days ago, had not given his agent the "go" to start negotiations with the flames on a new contract.

Flames fans need to realise that Iggy is doing the classy and noble thing right now. He is not pulling a "Sundin", he is doing the opposite. Iggy is giving the organization he loves a chance to get something for him while they can. As flames fans we can't ask for anything more than that.

It's up to ownership and management now to get the best package back. If all they can get is something slightly better than the Morrow deal, then they have to take it.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by fotze

I do have hope though, with Iggy's coyness in interviews lately, that he is actually working out an extension with some team that trade has been agreed to with. (that was the worst composed sentence ever)

I wonder if his refusal to talk is because it would be very hard to not let anything slip.

There's no way the Flames would be playing him if that was the case.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

People have to realize that getting a draft pick in a trade is only half of the picture as it's what the team does with the pick that counts in the end. I believe a top player can be had with a late first round pick but that's in the hands of the Flames and their scouts to find that player. Gaudreau was had for a 2nd round pick so as long as the Flames make the pick count they can get something out of just getting picks. Good drafting separates good teams f rom bad ones and more important than trade returns the Flames need to draft good and getting more picks helps their odds.

GAUDREAU came in the 4th round.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by flambers

yep, either scenario is quite likely....

However if its option #1, some member of the Flames Management should be accountable with this massive mistake...

Odd part is option 1 could be very likely as I could see Flames asking for a step price and unwilling to change their request and simply run out of time on trade deadline day........

Leading to a return on Iginla and Kipper of ZERO. Kipper retires and Iginla signs with the Canucks. Man it could get so ugly eh?

[GreenLantern]

Saw this on rmillions twitter from our own CPuck poster, I am sure it was discussed but I was in bed and didn't get a chance to comment so I do so now.

Nehkara ‏@Nehkara 15h @RogMillions Hey Roger! Can you tell him (from a life long Flames fan) that if they can't get what they want, to extend him long term? Thx.
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Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions 13h @Nehkara all do respect, I'm sure that's the plan

Say this is the scenario, what kind of block busters could Feaster look into this summer with other struggling teams to try and turn things around?

A shake up in Buffalo could be in order, as long as we don't end up with Leino..

Philly is another obvious dancing partner, we know they aren't shy about shaking things up and have a lot of good pieces.

Colorado, we have traded in the past and maybe there arent a lot of hard feelings about us trying to steal their player then almost losing him back to them..

[moon]

I can't see any blcokbuster with any team that doesn't end up hurting us long term.

We just don't have the assets to deal for good young talent that we need and the only assets we could move would be young pieces and/or draft picks which would be a disaster.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by fotze

I do have hope though, with Iggy's coyness in interviews lately, that he is actually working out an extension with some team that trade has been agreed to with. (that was the worst composed sentence ever)

I wonder if his refusal to talk is because it would be very hard to not let anything slip.

If that's true, he shouldn't be playing. Actually, there really is no reason he should be playing anyway.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

People have to realize that getting a draft pick in a trade is only half of the picture as it's what the team does with the pick that counts in the end. I believe a top player can be had with a late first round pick but that's in the hands of the Flames and their scouts to find that player.

Yep. And that first round won't come with an NMC. A first round pick, even a late first, is a valuable and versatile asset that you can trade.

[VERVE]

"During Monday's Insider Trading segment on TSN, Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie stated that of the four teams said to be on Jarome Iginla's list of teams that he would waive his no-movement clause for, that the Bruins are the 'most motivated' to get a deal done. ...
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" "When you look at what Boston is trying to do, they lost out on Brenden Morrow, and they do not want to lose out on Iginla," McKenzie said. "They want and need him perhaps more than Los Angeles, Chicago or Pittsburgh. The price is going to be high for Iginla. He is a rental, a pure rental and right now the Calgary Flames are looking for three elements: a first round pick, a primary prospect and a secondary prospect." "


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419132

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Saw this on rmillions twitter from our own CPuck poster, I am sure it was discussed but I was in bed and didn't get a chance to comment so I do so now.



Say this is the scenario, what kind of block busters could Feaster look into this summer with other struggling teams to try and turn things around?

A shake up in Buffalo could be in order, as long as we don't end up with Leino..

Philly is another obvious dancing partner, we know they aren't shy about shaking things up and have a lot of good pieces.

Colorado, we have traded in the past and maybe there arent a lot of hard feelings about us trying to steal their player then almost losing him back to them..

Sounds very risky. Don't see Iggy resigning until the plan has been completed. That could take most of the summer and i doubt he would wait that long. Also i don't think the flames have the pieces to do a fast re-tool that would put them back in a playoff spot next year.

Fans need to realise how bad this season would have been if it was a full season. The flames more than likely would be 15+ points out of it by now.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Sounds very risky. Don't see Iggy resigning until the plan has been completed. That could take most of the summer and i doubt he would wait that long. Also i don't think the flames have the pieces to do a fast re-tool that would put them back in a playoff spot next year.

Well if Ottawa is the model for the fast re-tool we are missing a Spezza-type, Karlsson-type, Anderson and Michalek.

We have the old guys like Alfredsson and Phillips, the secondary pieces as well although weaker.

I guess we can hope that Ramo has a fluke season like Anderson and that our pick can be an impact guy like Karlsson but even if both those things go right we are still behind on defense/toughness, way behind on coaching and missing a PPG top 10 center in his prime.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This team is far too asset poor to let sentimentality impair the management of those assets. We're four years into what's shaping into a long, long playoff drought. Our enduring delusion about being 'in the mix' has made us the laughing stock of the league. The only teams as bad as the Flames have substantially better asset pools. This is going to be as grim a ride as a Flames fan as the Young Guns era. And given we're a cap payroll team, I don't expect fans to be as forgiving this time around. But I doubt they'll be mad; they'll just be indifferent.

Bang on. What Iginla has done for this team is irrelevant in regards to this trade. The Flames should be trying to maximize value with one of the teams on Iginla's list and if teams start to back off they have to lower their asking price to get a deal done.

Worrying about what the PR backlash is going to be for not hitting a home run is a recipe for failure. Our management should be worried about improving the team long term - not appeasing casual fans short term.

[Badgers Nose]

the delay is likely feaster"s obsession with multi asset deals

he is a quantity vs quality guy

[edslunch]

Two things.....first the deadline is still a week away - lots of time for something to happen. Second I'm convinced the Flames and probably Iginla would be just as happy to renew if a good trade isn't available

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

the delay is likely feaster"s obsession with multi asset deals

he is a quantity vs quality guy

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...lgary_Flames/1

I don't see any obsession.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Two things.....first the deadline is still a week away - lots of time for something to happen. Second I'm convinced the Flames and probably Iginla would be just as happy to renew if a good trade isn't available

Why would you say that? Iggy has not shown that he even wants to negotiate with the flames. In the past he has said he does not want to be part of a rebuild. Nothing to me indicates that Iggy wants to stay. All i see is a good gesture by Iggy giving te flames a chance to get a small return on him before he leaves.