[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Did I say that? I just said the guy who posted it has no reason to make it up.

Never said you did my main man, just pointing out the amount of insane information from everyone and their mom, and her cat. All trying to be "first" with info. A guy on hf's saying something then a guy on another random message board in the end means little.

This trade stuff was fun for a day now it's just annoying.

[cubistcastle]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

This to me says ownership wants X and won't move.

That's quite a leap.

Kerr had some good thoughts during the segment, though. One of the least ridiculous perspectives I've heard throughout this debacle. Didn't throw any dumb rumors around or claim to have the inside track, seems to have a good read on the reactions of the fans.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

You don't include him, or you ask for a realistic return.

A realistic return for him would be something like a 2nd maybe?

Gaudreau for a pick somewhere in the 50s? This organization has made some bad trades, but that might take the cake.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A goalie prospect?

I thought we had Ramo?

Don't get your point here.

We had Brossiot then got Ramo
We had Ramo then drafted Gillies

With goalies you shouldn't focus on just one to be "the guy"

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Never said you did my main man, just pointing out the amount of insane information from everyone and their mom, and her cat. All trying to be "first" with info. A guy on hf's saying something then a guy on another random message board in the end means little.

This trade stuff was fun for a day now it's just annoying.

Obviously you need to leave the rumor thread BROSKI.

Why would you stick around if it annoys you so much? The decision tree is not complicated for you.

[Zulu29]

Well goalies rarely get a large return in trades so why would we trade our franchise player for a goalie prospect? I mean we have a few goalie prospects already, so if we end up having to trade one down the road were probably not going to get much in return so what's the point?

[thefoss1957]

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster s bargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were looking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

[Erick Estrada]

Trading Gaudreau with Iginla to Boston is a one step forward, two steps back move and makes no sense for the Flames. Trading Gaudreau essentially cancels out a young player coming back or who they would draft with the late 1st round pick they would get from the Bruins. Highly unlikely that is going to happen IMO.

[nik-]

I just don't see Subban as better enough than anything we have to be the central piece returning on an asset that could really help us in other areas.

Trading Iginla with a goalie as the main piece would be a bad trade.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster' sbargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were tooking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

So in other words Iginla is worth as much as say Brendan Morrow or Douglas Murray? Okay.

[Loyal and True]

29th/30th overall pick + smallish prospect(s) is not worth the scars of trading the pride of the franchise. Feaster can trade another veteran player(s) with NTC(s) to get those kinds of assets.

Either a buyer steps up with a legit #1 prospect or there is no deal. Let Bruins, Pens, Hawks, Kings battle for the cup through 4 rounds without Iginla as their prized depth acquisition.

Then scumbags like Spector can shut their yaps.

If Iggy doesn't re-sign in June, then trade his rights on draft day for at least a 2nd round pick (35th overall?) and a conditional 3rd (65th overall?) to a team like Philly, Washington,etc. A team that fell short in a 48 game season but could easily re-tool for a cup run by adding Iginla to their already legitimate core.

I wouldn't mind seeing Iggy win a cup this spring in another jersey, but if we are going to hand over someone of Iginla's stature to solidify a Cup run, then someone is going to have to pay us with a legitimate prize.

[Badgers Nose]

I'll be sad if centre depth is still an issue after the sell off.

Good centres make wingers better. So a focus on centres and d through the next few drafts would be a good idea. If you have too many deal from strength for the other positions. Teams always want d and centres so the value stays high.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster s bargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were looking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

You are proposing a return worse than the Stars received for Brendan Morrow. Think about that for a moment.

[orr444]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster s bargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were looking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

Thats all fine and good, but with the asking price nowadays. You have to ask for what they are currently asking. Morrow, murray etc... Its well known around the league

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Loyal and True

29th overall pick + smallish prospect(s) is not worth the scars of trading the pride of the franchise. Feaster can trade another veteran player(s) with NTC(s) to get those kinds of assets.

Either a buyer steps up with a legit #1 prospect or there is no deal. Let Bruins, Pens, Hawks, Kings battle for the cup through 4 rounds without Iginla as their prized depth acquisition.

Then scumbags like Spector can shut their yaps.

If Iggy doesn't re-sign in June, then trade his rights on draft day for at least a 2nd round pick (35th overall?) and a conditional 3rd (65th overall?) to a team like Philly, Washington,etc. A team that fell short in a 48 game season but could easily re-tool for a cup run by adding Iginla to their already legitimate core.

I wouldn't mind seeing Iggy win a cup this spring in another jersey, but if we are going to hand over someone of Iginla's stature to solidify a Cup run, then someone is going to have to pay us with a legitimate prize.

I'd rather get a 7th round pick for Iggy than nothing. If he walks on July 1st and agreed to a trade and Feaster didn't pull the trigger that would be unforgivable.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

You don't include him, or you ask for a realistic return.

A realistic return for him would be something like a 2nd maybe?

so you would trade Johnny Gaudreau for a second round pick?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster s bargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were tooking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

Iggy on the Hawks greatly increases your chances of winning a Cup this year. Passing up on him to keep a young prospect around that may or may not help you guys get another Cup before your current core expires is a gamble, at best.

Bowman will look even worse if Iginla goes to LA and he and the Kings knock you guys out in the conference final en route to their second Cup in a row.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

On the other hand, you can start with modest demands, and as more teams make pitches you can play them off against one another. Better to string them along and raise the price closer to the deadline than set an unrealistic price early and drive bidders into the arms of other options.

You've repeated this a couple times. What does it look like in practice?

Are you suggesting that they say "We will accept pick A, plus player B plus prospect C and if someone agrees to that, withdraw the proposal and ask for more?

You'll have to explain how the Flames can make a modest demand and then raise their asking price after. What if their modest demand is accepted?

[868904]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I'd rather get a 7th round pick for Iggy than nothing. If he walks on July 1st and agreed to a trade and Feaster didn't pull the trigger that would be unforgivable.

Are there still compensatory picks for losing an unrestricted free agent?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

I understand you Flame fans love and respect for Iginla, but, from a non-Flame fan perspective, our teams would be insane to give up a TOP prospect for a 35 year old player that will be a UFA at the end of a playoff run. Feaster s bargaining position is not as strong as many here believe it is.

A pick, a mid-roster player or project prospect, and a throw in, perhaps Feaster might get... but guys like Saad or Teravainen from my 'Hawks, for instance? That would get Bowman lynched. The feeling among 'Hawk fans is that they are grooming TT for when Kane's contract expires...Many expect Kane to be moved at the end of his current contract. The mention of Dylan Olson is more realistic, only because the 'Hawks feel that they have other 2nd or 3rd pair D-prospects. In an earlier post, I also mentioned guys with expiring contracts that might be had...And If I were looking for guys that might be had with some up side, Stalberg would be the guy on the 'Hawks I'd enquire about...or if you are willing to gamble, Frolik, who had been a 20 goal rook, but is buried on the 4th line in Chi.

Bottom line for Flame fans...Every day that passes, the potential return for Iginla suffers.

You need to look at what the return was for a 34 year old that is half the player Iggy is just returned.