Tiger Woods "Transgressions" Thread - Golfin' Ain't Easy

[GGG]

Originally Posted by return to the red

Oh yes, because when someone gets married to someone that comes into the marriage with nothing but a ####ty old car, no house and leaves the marriage after a year and takes a settlement that's equal to 2 years of her annual salary, yes that's sounds like a good idea of marriage.

You can legaly protect yourself from this situation from ever occuring with a pre-nup. So if you have a large difference in income or assets the correct answer is to protect yourself. You have a better than 50% chance of divorce. It isn't even an unlikely occurance you should plan for it before you get married.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by valo403

Since when is making a conscious and informed decision on marrying someone out of your control?

You must have an amazing ability to judge the true intentions of another person. Are you psychic? telepathic?

Let me in on your secret.

[Zevo]

The smokin hot chick (of my choosing) that I get to bang whenever, might leave me, taking some of my money, only leaving me a few hundred million dollars.

Extreme first world problems.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You must have an amazing ability to judge the true intentions of another person. Are you psychic? telepathic?

Let me in on your secret.

What?

Let's just breakdown your comparison here.

One scenario involves a person acting under their own free will making a decision after careful thought to enter into marriage with someone that they love and trust, and also to do so without entering into a prenuptial agreement. The other is rape.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by valo403

What?

Let's just breakdown your comparison here.

One scenario involves a person acting under their own free will making a decision after careful thought to enter into marriage with someone that they love and trust, and also to do so without entering into a prenuptial agreement. The other is rape.

Even further...one you lose money, the other you lose pretty much everything including your sense of self-worth, dignity, etc

[rubecube]

Why the hell anyone would get married without a prenup these days is beyond me.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by valo403

What?

Let's just breakdown your comparison here.

One scenario involves a person acting under their own free will making a decision after careful thought to enter into marriage with someone that they love and trust, and also to do so without entering into a prenuptial agreement. The other is rape.

Wow. Let's not.

I don't know what you think I'm actually doing, but I am certainly not trying to compare the two incidents. I am comparing the logic of two scenarios which involve blaming victims. Go back and read what I wrote.

Pretty obvious distraction from your reasoning here.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Wow. Let's not.

I don't know what you think I'm actually doing, but I am certainly not trying to compare the two incidents. I am comparing the logic of two scenarios which involve blaming victims. Go back and read what I wrote.

Pretty obvious distraction from your reasoning here.

Nope, I'm aware of what you're doing. One is a situation that involves the full knowledge and consent of both parties involved. nobody is forced to do anything against their will, it is a fully consensual situation. The other, again, is rape.

[FireFly]

I think he's calling the husbands victims because of the 'gold-digging' wives they choose...

So maybe he's comparing it to date-rape? I mean, at least then the girl chooses to go out with the guy?

I dunno.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nope, I'm aware of what you're doing. One is a situation that involves the full knowledge and consent of both parties involved. nobody is forced to do anything against their will, it is a fully consensual situation. The other, again, is rape.

Again, please let me know how you have "full knowledge" of someone's intentions.

Do you hook them up to a polygraph first?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I think he's calling the husbands victims because of the 'gold-digging' wives they choose...

So maybe he's comparing it to date-rape? I mean, at least then the girl chooses to go out with the guy?

I dunno.

I am saying that when people like valo say "He should have known better", they are blaming the victim. Clear?

[FireFly]

Well, when you marry someone, generally you should know them first, right? She should've known he was a cheating #######, he should have known she would take him for all she could when she caught him on it. Lots of blame for everyone.

But yeah, when a 60 year old man marrys a 25 year old woman, what do you suppose he thinks she's in it for? What do you suppose she thinks he's in it for? Do you think it's love? Do they think it's love?

Both of them know better.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Again, please let me know how you have "full knowledge" of someone's intentions.

Do you hook them up to a polygraph first?

You have full knowledge of the potential outcomes of your decision. When you get married you are fully aware that the potential for divorce exists, and you accept the potential consequences should that come to pass.

Please explain to me how that compares to rape.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I am saying that when people like valo say "He should have known better", they are blaming the victim. Clear?

The victim? Who's the victim? The person who made a decision to marry someone and then has to accept the completely foreseeable consequences of that decision?

Yeah you're right, totally like a rape victim

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Well, when you marry someone, generally you should know them first, right? She should've known he was a cheating #######, he should have known she would take him for all she could when she caught him on it. Lots of blame for everyone.

But yeah, when a 60 year old man marrys a 25 year old woman, what do you suppose he thinks she's in it for? What do you suppose she thinks he's in it for? Do you think it's love? Do they think it's love?

Both of them know better.

A lot of people that should've known better have been swindled. It's not like this is uncommon. Men with money do seem to find themselves surrounded by attractive, younger women on a consistent basis. I'd venture a little self-delusion is probably pretty common.

I agree it's a first-world problem, and certainly not akin to rape, but I do think some of these guys get taken advantage of. If it was a truly a trophy-wife mentality, and the guy is fully aware that he's exchanging his wealth for a piece of ass, there are certainly cheaper ways of doing so.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by rubecube

A lot of people that should've known better have been swindled. It's not like this is uncommon. Men with money do seem to find themselves surrounded by attractive, younger women on a consistent basis. I'd venture a little self-delusion is probably pretty common.

I agree it's a first-world problem, and certainly not akin to rape, but I do think some of these guys get taken advantage of. If it was a truly a trophy-wife mentality, and the guy is fully aware that he's exchanging his wealth for a piece of ass, there are certainly cheaper ways of doing so.

But does that make him a victim? Of someone else's machinations or his own stupidity?

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Why the hell anyone would get married without a prenup these days is beyond me.

I kind of wish I had used a prenup just for the entertainment value of looking back at what we had at the time.

My wife would get $1000, an old tv/entertainment unit and some kitchen stuff.
I would clean up with $1500, two couches and a bed.

A lot of people don't sign a prenup because they don't have anything worth protecting or are starting their lives and are evenly situated.

I don't think prenups usually cover future earnings and even if they did, how can you say that the contribution was solely one persons effort and not the others? Since our wedding I have invested a ton of money in my company that is paying off now, but that was money that we both saved and sacrificed to put away.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FireFly

But does that make him a victim? Of someone else's machinations or his own stupidity?

Well that is victim-blaming, isn't it?

[troutman]

Just read that women are the bread winners in 23% of American families, up from 6% in an earlier survey.

Men will be gold-diggers too.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well that is victim-blaming, isn't it?

Well that would involve seeing someone who made an informed decision to do something and then suffered the very real and known consequences of that decision a victim.