[Trade] B. Morrow + 3rd to the Pens, J. Morrow + 5th to Dallas

[Tinordi]

Morrow provides more of what Pittsburg needs versus the cost of acquisition. Iginla doesn't play with Morrow's jam, and they don't need Iginla's scoring.

Take one team off the list, now there's only 3 instead of 4 teams bidding for him. Not great news.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Morrow provides more of what Pittsburg needs versus the cost of acquisition. Iginla doesn't play with Morrow's jam, and they don't need Iginla's scoring.

Take one team off the list, now there's only 3 instead of 4 teams bidding for him. Not great news.

That's certainly one way to spin it.

If there was only two teams bidding for Iginla and one dropped out I'd be more worried. Going from four to three can easily be spun the other way too.

It's also been speculated it's more then four teams, so there's that.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Morrow provides more of what Pittsburg needs versus the cost of acquisition. Iginla doesn't play with Morrow's jam, and they don't need Iginla's scoring.

Take one team off the list, now there's only 3 instead of 4 teams bidding for him. Not great news.

Morrow is a broken down 3rd liners he's not even in the same boat as a Iginla. It's clear Pittsburgh is content with the top line of Kunitz Crosby and dupuis.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

That's certainly one way to spin it.

If there was only two teams bidding for Iginla and one dropped out I'd be more worried. Going from four to three can easily be spun the other way too.

It's also been speculated it's more then four teams, so there's that.

A team could certain bid against itself if they really thought that Iginla was the piece to push them over the edge. The only real team in that position in my view of things is Boston. LA would like Iginla but they just won a Cup without him with basically the same roster, Chicago is tearing the league up without Iginla. So... how bad does Boston want him?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Morrow is a broken down 3rd liners he's not even in the same boat as a Iginla. It's clear Pittsburgh is content with the top line of Kunitz Crosby and dupuis.

Never said he was in the same boat. Just saying that the price was right and he ticked alot of boxes for Pittsburg. This move signals though that Pittsburg is out of the running.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

A team could certain bid against itself if they really thought that Iginla was the piece to push them over the edge. The only real team in that position in my view of things is Boston. LA would like Iginla but they just won a Cup without him with basically the same roster, Chicago is tearing the league up without Iginla. So... how bad does Boston want him?

Congratulations, you've somehow (in your head) turned it into one team bidding for Iginla, despite everything else pointing to the opposite.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Morrow is a broken down 3rd liners he's not even in the same boat as a Iginla. It's clear Pittsburgh is content with the top line of Kunitz Crosby and dupuis.

Morrow will most likely play with Brandon Sutter on the third line.

[Tinordi]

Not what I said, just that based on the limited amount of teams eligible for the auction and the fact that it seems that most of them don't necessarily *need* Iginla then to get really good value we'll need a team to bid against itself. Not hard to understand.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

A team could certain bid against itself if they really thought that Iginla was the piece to push them over the edge. The only real team in that position in my view of things is Boston. LA would like Iginla but they just won a Cup without him with basically the same roster, Chicago is tearing the league up without Iginla. So... how bad does Boston want him?

It's an arms race. The best teams are almost certainly entering this week with a very close eye on what one another is doing, and no matter how good they are now, they are all also likely looking to improve. How bad does Boston want Iginla? I would say that all the teams that are actually in the bidding (note that we only have an unsubstantiated inclination of who four of those teams MIGHT be, but this is not necessarily an accurate or complete list) want him bad enough to keep him from landing with another team.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Not what I said, just that based on the limited amount of teams eligible for the auction and the fact that it seems that most of them don't necessarily *need* Iginla then to get really good value we'll need a team to bid against itself. Not hard to understand.

The Penguins are 2nd overall in the league. They didn't *need* Brendan Morrow. The top teams at the deadline add depth for the playoffs. They aren't filling holes in the off season.

Boston doesn't need Iginla, Chicago doesn't need Iginla etc. It's about loading up on players for a long playoff run, not filling holes. If they can add a big, a big piece to that possible cup, they will.

I doubt LA is thinking "we won the cup last year.. Guess we're good to go".

[timbit]

If the Penguins didn't think they needed Morrow....why would they trade for him?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by timbit

If the Penguins didn't think they needed Morrow....why would they trade for him?

Note the *'s around the word "need".

[timbit]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Note the *'s around the word "need".

So they traded for him, but didn't need him, in Shero's opinion? Interesting.

[Tinordi]

I mean every team obviously has their own threshold for what they're willing to give up for a UFA. The need argument and the arms race arguments I agree with to a degree but what I'm most concerned about is the limited pool in the auction thanks to The List. Say LA and Chicago are on that list, are they really going to give up important pieces for Iginla when they already have Brown/Carter and Hossa/Kane as their top two RWs?

They'd be trading for a RW that would be getting third line minutes. If that's the case and if we believe that Morrow is a third liner then maybe Morrow's value is in line for what LA or Chi would give up.

If the only other team on that list is Boston, wouldn't they know LA's and Chicaco's depth chart and make it so that their offer was slightly better?

[mister__big]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When you have a cup within reach, you go for it

Well that depends. I'd be more inclined to reach for it if it's a C or D cup, not so much if it's A or B...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by timbit

If the Penguins didn't think they needed Morrow....why would they trade for him?

Originally Posted by timbit

So they traded for him, but didn't need him, in Shero's opinion? Interesting.

You're not this obtuse are you, it's an act right?

They're adding players that will hopefully improve their chances of winning a cup. It's not a guarantee. Adding Brendan Morrow without removing anything from their current roster improves those chances, ditto for Boston, Chicago adding Iginla for nothing.

They don't... wait for it and notice the emphasis... *need* either players but they improve those chances and improve the depth in case of injuries for a (hopefully) long playoff run.

Though if you want to squabble over the wording, which is what you love to do, by all means, fill your boots.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

...what I'm most concerned about is the limited pool in the auction thanks to The List. Say LA and Chicago are on that list, are they really going to give up important pieces for Iginla when they already have Brown/Carter and Hossa/Kane as their top two RWs?

Have you seen "the list"? Why are we so sure that the four teams being mentioned are indeed the teams Iginla has targeted, and the only teams he has selected? I think based on what we have heard that there is a list, and that a couple or even all of the four teams mentioned are on it. But I also think that it is highly unlikely that anyone close to the Flames org. or close to the Iginlas would have divulged precisely the limits of the list.

So, if LA and Chicago are on Iginla's list, and if they believe that they are a Stanley Cup contending team, then really the question is not whether they are likely to give up "important pieces", but rather which pieces they believe to be worth the risk or non-expendable. The answer to those questions will be different for every team, and regardless of how strong any team is on the right side, adding Iginla must still count as a MASSIVE upgrade.

Originally Posted by Tinordi

They'd be trading for a RW that would be getting third line minutes. If that's the case and if we believe that Morrow is a third liner then maybe Morrow's value is in line for what LA or Chi would give up.

That's utterly ridiculous. I am not convinced that a player of Iginla's calibre (or Hossa's or Kane's, or Brown's or Carter's) is so limited in his ability to play the off-wing. (Furthermore, it is laughable that you would consider Dustin Brown ahead of Iginla on a hypothetical depth chart).

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If the only other team on that list is Boston, wouldn't they know LA's and Chicaco's depth chart and make it so that their offer was slightly better?

Those are both gigantic "if"s. It is certain that NO ONE outside of the Flames and the Iginlas knows the length of Iginla's list. It is also virtually certain that NO TEAM knows the contents of any of the competing offers for Iginla on the table.

[Tinordi]

Has Iginla ever played LW in his hockey career?

Is Iginla a massive upgrade to Chicago with Hossa and Kane already playing RW? How effective can Iginla be playing 3rd line/2nd PP minutes where it would justify Chicago giving up serious assets for him?

Sure we don't know the length of the list or who's on it, I'm just discussing possibilities based on what we've heard on a discussion forum. We've heard that there's possibly 5 teams on the list and that some of the teams on that list may not really need much of Iginla due to their own organizational strengths. Which boils down to the main point, trading a player with an NTC to a list of teams wont get you full value.

As an aside, I could poke a bunch of holes in what you're saying as well to demonstrate how "utterly ridiculous" some of your statements are. Such as the Brown comparison. Did you watch Dustin Brown last year dominate the playoffs? Do you really think that Iginla would be a better option for LA than Brown for bigger minutes? We're all entitled to our opinion but that statement alone suggests to me that you are not evaluating this situation too rationally and instead letting the myth of Iginla get in the way of understanding what I'm saying.

[doctajones428]

Can't Kane or Hossa play on their off wing?

A top 6 including Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa and Iginla would be incredibly deadly

Edit: Hossa is listed as a RW/LW on Wikipedia, and Kane is listed as RW/C

[MrMastodonFarm]

It's funny you mention Dustin Brown and the right wing, how well he played last playoffs and how Iginla wouldn't push him down that wing position.

As an aside Dustin Brown played his off wing, the left side, in the playoffs last year.