[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[Flames_Gimp]

only 5 points out of the playoffs, if we are in a playoff spot at the deadline, do they trade iggy?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

only 5 points out of the playoffs, if we are in a playoff spot at the deadline, do they trade iggy?

honestly they wont be so that is not a concern.


Also I felt like the entire Iginla post game interview he was waiting to be asked about the trade rumours and while giving answers to the first few questions he was thinking about what to say when that lady asked at the end.

[Dion]

Iginla says there is no list - interperate how you wish

The Flames captain, however, shot down that notion.

“I didn’t say anything about a list,” Iginla countered after the game. “I didn’t read any . . . but honestly, we’ve made it this far in the year (without addressing his future). I know there’s lot of speculation about our team — and me individually — and right now, with a very important win for our team, that’ll work itself out. (The trade deadline) is a week away.

“I really want to not contribute to it.”

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...171/story.html

[Textcritic]

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That appears to me to be a very vague denial. Not that I would expect Iginla to confirm anything, but his comments in the media are so ambiguous that it is hard to expect that trade trade talks are not ongoing.

[Captain_Obvious]

^ Not only that, but he doesn't say there isn't a list at all.

He says he "didn't say anything about a list"

Very ambiguous indeed. Not that we should expect any comment one way or there other. But that's straight up no confirmation or denial.

[Captain_Obvious]

Curious to know... was there any mention of what teams had scouts at last night's game vs. the Blues?

Seems like that could be a good indicator.

[AC]

‏@CruickshankCH
Scouts at #Flames game tonight -- Dallas, Winnipeg, Ottawa, N.Y. Rangers, Edmonton, Montreal, Boston, Minnesota.

Boston the only one that matches a rumoured team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AC

‏@CruickshankCH
Scouts at #Flames game tonight -- Dallas, Winnipeg, Ottawa, N.Y. Rangers, Edmonton, Montreal, Boston, Minnesota.

Boston the only one that matches a rumoured team.

Would Iginla consider Montreal, Ottawa or Minnesota as a destination? Not exactly "marquee", and it is hard to imagine a player electing to be traded to Montreal in particular, but maybe Iginla is more sophisticated in his selection process?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Curious to know... was there any mention of what teams had scouts at last night's game vs. the Blues?

Seems like that could be a good indicator.

Yes and no. Any scouts in attendance are almost certainly not there to watch Iginla (I'm quite certain that he is a well-known commodity throughout the NHL), but would likely have their eyes on any potential additional pieces. This is all often complicated by the fact that there is quite frequently not a direct correlation between scout-attendance and pending trade.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Iginla is a great great player but comparing him to Sakic as equals means you are forgetting how good Sakic was

Agree to disagree then. Both are generational talents, both were the best player in the league for a number of years and both will be known as top players regardless of what happens from here on out. They are about as equal as two top players can get. I won't get into a debate on who was "better" as that is largely a matter of opinion.

On topic. This sure has been an interesting day. I don't know if my heart can take the next week and a bit, honestly if he is being moved I hope they announce it soon.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Agree to disagree then. Both are generational talents, both were the best player in the league for a number of years and both will be known as top players regardless of what happens from here on out. They are about as equal as two top players can get. I won't get into a debate on who was "better" as that is largely a matter of opinion...

Iginla is not a "generational talent", at least not in the common sense of the term. Iginla has been ONE OF the best players of his generation, but that is entirely different matter, since generational talents tend to be special, dominant players that are clearly on another level compared to their peers. There is usually only one or two generational talents in any generation.

But furthermore, this is not merely a matter of opinion as you claim, and you simply cannot hide behind this as a way to support a practically universally dismissed notion. Sakic has to his credit two Stanley Cups, a Conn Smythe, a Hart trophy, and ranks #9 all time in points and #15 all-time in goals. Iginla at this point in his career might break 600 goals, but beyond this, his career effectiveness, and his individual skills as a player pale in comparison to Sakic, who was indisputably a generational talent.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Would Iginla consider Montreal, Ottawa or Minnesota as a destination? Not exactly "marquee", and it is hard to imagine a player electing to be traded to Montreal in particular, but maybe Iginla is more sophisticated in his selection process?

Yah, who would want to live in a beautiful city with great food and culture and wear one of the most iconic jerseys in all of hockey while playing for one of the most storied franchises in the world? Oh right, the media is tough ...

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Just turned on sportsnet connected before heading to work. For what it's worth they confirmed he has given a list including four previous teams + Detroit.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Agree to disagree then. Both are generational talents, both were the best player in the league for a number of years and both will be known as top players regardless of what happens from here on out. They are about as equal as two top players can get. I won't get into a debate on who was "better" as that is largely a matter of opinion.

I'd argue that Iggy was the best power forward of his generation, but not the best player. My favourite player? Yes. Best player? There were about 3 or 4 years when people would discuss Iggy being the best player in the league. Whereas Sakic was undeniably the most gifted offensive player in the league for a decade (albeit with a sick supporting line-up including the equally gifted Forsberg).

I can't decide whether I want him to be traded or not. I also have this strange conflict of interests when we win. Love it when we win, but then we lose out on a chance at a top 5 pick. What a strange time to be a Flames fan.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Yah, who would want to live in a beautiful city with great food and culture and wear one of the most iconic jerseys in all of hockey while playing for one of the most storied franchises in the world? Oh right, the media is tough ...

Hey, I like Montreal as much as anyone, but it is a fact that the Canadiens struggle to attract NHL free agents. The city is not a particularly easy one to live in, the tax burden is the highest of any in the League, and there are a high number of players that are turned off by the francophone culture. I have no idea about Iginla's opinion on these matters, but it would really be unsurprising if he were not particularly drawn to the Canadiens.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

Iginla is a great great player but comparing him to Sakic as equals means you are forgetting how good Sakic was

Which is odd considering Sakic bent the Flames over and raped them every opportunity he got.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Kaine

Agree to disagree then. Both are generational talents,

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Iginla is not a "generational talent", at least not in the common sense of the term. Iginla has been ONE OF the best players of his generation, but that is entirely different matter, since generational talents tend to be special, dominant players that are clearly on another level compared to their peers. There is usually only one or two generational talents in any generation.

...

Sakic... was indisputably a generational talent.

Umm... I think it depends on how you define "generational talent". If you define it as merely a player who would be as effective or a star player in any era then both Iginla and Sakic are generational talents. But if you go by Textcritic's definition of a special, dominant player who is clearly on another level compared to his peers then I don't think neither Iginla nor Sakic are generational players because neither of them were the best player of his generation in the way Gretzky, Lemieux, and Crosby were/are. These guys were great players and Sakic is a very accomplished player, etc. but certainly not close to being the best player of their generations. I would rank Gretzky, Lemieux, and Jagr before Sakic.

[calgARI]

Pro scouts seem like a huge waste of money to me. Boston really needs to have someone there in person to affirm how Iginla is playing?

[Textcritic]

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I highly doubt that any of the NHL scouts in attendance at last night's game were there to watch Iginla. Much more likely, they were evaluating other Flames players involved in other trade discussions, or perhaps in pending package deals that include Iginla.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

funny, i was thinking the exact same thing about people that constantly extoll about things like loyalty!

I guess that's the thing isn't it?

I have as much chance of being right with respect to his motivations as you do...even if your patronizing tone suggests somehow you know more over your beers and shooting the #### right?

Great story bro.

What story is that?