[PGT] Columbus 5 Flames 1

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

for wanting a winning team?

for expecting passion and tenacity and character and pride?

for not just blindly paying money to millionaire sassy pants floater mcgees and being happy with zero coming back?

Fleury was not "chased" out of town, we couldn't afford him if I recall?

You could categorize this as chasing Iggy out of town, but for 3 seasons he hasn't cared anyway, so it's not like he'd be affected by it? It's not like the situation can get worse?

This perception from a large portion of our fanbase that Iginla doesn't care is such horse****, imo. He's put this team on his back for most of his career, and now at 35 is getting to a point where he can't physically lead a team like he could in his twenties and early thirties, yet is still in that position because of a failure on the part of management.

I mean at the end of the day, non of us really know for sure, and I guess it's conceivable that he doesn't give a **** and just collects a pay cheque. But when I watch his body language in bad games, he looks like he's angry and dissapointed beyond belief. have you ever watched him when the camera shows him on the bench near the end of a game? Seriously, he looks like nothing bothers him more in the word than to lose in a bad way. It's not the body language of a player who no longer cares.

I think some of our fans are confusing a power forward, who is getting toa stage where he can no longer be a power forward for a lack of care, and it pisses me off so much.

I wanted Iggy to finish his career in Calgary because I thought it was amazing that we had a true loyal leader that wanted to play in one city for his whole career. Our Joe Sakic or Steve Yzerman. There really was a special connection between Iginla and this city, but with the crap he's had to put up with here, I now hope he waives his no trade clause and moves on, because these past couple of years have put a stain on the legacy of Iginla in Calgary, and I'd rather he just move on for his own sake.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by dino7c

one game above .500 and 9th in the west having played more games than anyone is turning it around...sorry can't let this one go. Columbus didn't rebuild they were never built

Columbus is 8-0-3 in their last 11 games and look to make the playoffs. Is that not a sign of some sort of success? They have played what 1 or 2 more games? Grasp harder at straws why don't you.

If you want to compare futures which one looks brighter right now? Columbus or Calgary?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Columbus is 8-0-3 in their last 11 games and look to make the playoffs. Is that not a sign of some sort of success? They have played what 1 or 2 more games? Grasp harder at straws why don't you.

If you want to compare futures which one looks brighter right now? Columbus or Calgary?

I like Columbus's 3, 1 first rounders and new management team ill go with them.

[oldschoolcalgary]

forest for the trees really.

3 years ago, people were saying that this organization was going down the wrong path and that the cupboards were bare; that there would be an inevitable downward spiral...

today, people are saying we don't need a full rebuild.

I honestly think we are there right now. tied for last in the Western Conference? With the "best" lineup we can ice?

Gentlemen, we are on the edge of a rebuild, I just don't think people realize it. Trading some assets, like Iggy, Kipper, Jaybo, Cammy etc may shorten the pain (and possibly not as some have noted).

But if this is the best we can do, prepare yourself for a team perpetually fighting for 10th, let alone a playoff spot.

Who are the bright spots? Brodie? Sven? Backlund? These are nice pieces, but they haven't shown that they are elite players. Certainly not players that are going to take a team deep into a playoff run.

A Stanley Cup core needs to be drafted. That's why it makes zero sense to trade those picks... even if you are close to a playoff spot, it is short term thinking...

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I like Columbus's 3, 1 first rounders and new management team ill go with them.

Hey that is what the Flames will be doing.

Oh....wait.

[jayswin]

And the worst part is, there were two options with Iginla these past few years; Trade him and get a Kings ransom in return that would revitalize our team for the future, or keep him and have an amazing future Hall of Famer play his whole career in Calgary, something that would have been really special and amazing legacy for franchise.

Now it appears as though we're going to get the worst of both worlds. Jarome Iginla run out of town, and traded as a 35 year old, diminishing asset. **** it's hard to cheer for this team sometimes. I started cheering for the Flames in 97, rigth when they started their seven year playoff drought, but this is the worst I've felt about this franchise to date.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by flameswin

This perception from a large portion of our fanbase that Iginla doesn't care is such horse****, imo. He's put this team on his back for most of his career, and now at 35 is getting to a point where he can't physically lead a team like he could in his twenties and early thirties, yet is still in that position because of a failure on the part of management.

I mean at the end of the day, non of us really know for sure, and I guess it's conceivable that he doesn't give a **** and just collects a pay cheque. But when I watch his body language in bad games, he looks like he's angry and dissapointed beyond belief. have you ever watched him when the camera shows him on the bench near the end of a game? Seriously, he looks like nothing bothers him more in the word than to lose in a bad way. It's not the body language of a player who no longer cares.

I think some of our fans are confusing a power forward, who is getting toa stage where he can no longer be a power forward for a lack of care, and it pisses me off so much.

I wanted Iggy to finish his career in Calgary because I thought it was amazing that we had a true loyal leader that wanted to play in one city for his whole career. Our Joe Sakic or Steve Yzerman. There really was a special connection between Iginla and this city, but with the crap he's had to put up with here, I now hope he waives his no trade clause and moves on, because these past couple of years have put a stain on the legacy of Iginla in Calgary, and I'd rather he just move on for his own sake.

The team is crap. I dont want him to go down with the ship. If we actually had a good team with some youngsters coming in so that he could just slide into a lesser role than sure keep him but yea I agree it doesn't look like we have the team in place to make him our Yzerman.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

So? what now?

Let him re-sign and finish his career here at an appropriate cap hit

Or

Trade him without humiliating his character or belittle his contributions

Pretty easy

But this commontary that he deserves nothing (and similar sentiment comments ) is totally inappropiate

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Let him re-sign and finish his career here at an appropriate cap hit

Or

Trade him without humiliating his character or belittle his contributions

Pretty easy

But this commontary that he deserves nothing (and similar sentiment comments ) is totally inappropiate

I believe "This star player that has been loyal to our franchise and loves this team and city deserves nothing from us and can gfto of town" is on page one of the Calgary Flames fans handbook.

[zamler]

I am of the opinion that Iginla is a great player but a poor captain. He's been more or less forced into that role and it simply has not worked out, now it's time to move on.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Columbus is 8-0-3 in their last 11 games and look to make the playoffs. Is that not a sign of some sort of success? They have played what 1 or 2 more games? Grasp harder at straws why don't you.

If you want to compare futures which one looks brighter right now? Columbus or Calgary?

you were talking like they are a model franchise for how to build a team, they have sucked because they have sucked its wasn't some master plan and they are nowhere near winning a cup. I never said the Flames were good either

look to make the playoffs? wanna bet

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by flameswin

This perception from a large portion of our fanbase that Iginla doesn't care is such horse****, imo. He's put this team on his back for most of his career, and now at 35 is getting to a point where he can't physically lead a team like he could in his twenties and early thirties, yet is still in that position because of a failure on the part of management.

I mean at the end of the day, non of us really know for sure, and I guess it's conceivable that he doesn't give a **** and just collects a pay cheque. But when I watch his body language in bad games, he looks like he's angry and dissapointed beyond belief. have you ever watched him when the camera shows him on the bench near the end of a game? Seriously, he looks like nothing bothers him more in the word than to lose in a bad way. It's not the body language of a player who no longer cares.

I think some of our fans are confusing a power forward, who is getting toa stage where he can no longer be a power forward for a lack of care, and it pisses me off so much.

I wanted Iggy to finish his career in Calgary because I thought it was amazing that we had a true loyal leader that wanted to play in one city for his whole career. Our Joe Sakic or Steve Yzerman. There really was a special connection between Iginla and this city, but with the crap he's had to put up with here, I now hope he waives his no trade clause and moves on, because these past couple of years have put a stain on the legacy of Iginla in Calgary, and I'd rather he just move on for his own sake.

I honestly don't see the body language like you do.

He was smiling and laughing with Cervenka at the end of this one?

His interviews are "we need to be better....."

His efforts on ice are in and out, casual and then hard.

And finally while yes of course I don't know for sure, it seems reasonable that a guy that's been paid over whatever million dollars, is renowned as the local hero, is probably very comfortable and more family focused would maybe care less about winning game in and out. So yes, a logical "leap" I suppose.

It's too bad everybody thinks he's being "run out of town", I don't see it that way. I see it as fans wanting a winning team and believing that the best way forward is to get rid of him and salvage assets.

For the record I agree that people shouldn't slander the guy. But I also think people need to stop being so sensitive whenever his name pops up. He's a hockey player, not your dad.

[PantherExtreme]

Originally Posted by zamler

I am of the opinion that Iginla is a great player but a poor captain. He's been more or less forced into that role and it simply has not worked out, now it's time to move on.

Great analysis, i always love this take. Good teams captain is a good captain, bad teams captain is a bad captain. What is he supposed to do? Someone has to be last. There are lots of good rosters out there and the flames are not one of them.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Let him re-sign and finish his career here at an appropriate cap hit

Or

Trade him without humiliating his character or belittle his contributions

Pretty easy

But this commontary that he deserves nothing (and similar sentiment comments ) is totally inappropiate

Are you inferring my posts? I think he's shown flashes of character but certainly nothing consistent over the last 2 or 3 seasons. I wouldn't say I humiliate his character though, I'm trying to simply call it as I see it.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by PantherExtreme

Great analysis, i always love this take. Good teams captain is a good captain, bad teams captain is a bad captain. What is he supposed to do? Someone has to be last. There are lots of good rosters out there and the flames are not one of them.

So all captains are good captains?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Are you inferring to my posts? I think he's shown flashes of character but certainly nothing consistent over the last 2 or 3 seasons. I wouldn't say I humiliate his character though, I'm trying to simply call it as I see it.

No, i was referring to posts like number 260.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you were talking like they are a model franchise for how to build a team, they have sucked because they have sucked its wasn't some master plan and they are nowhere near winning a cup. I never said the Flames were good either

look to make the playoffs? wanna bet

No one should look to Columbus as a model but they took the necessary steps to move towards a brighter future. They made big moves, took risks and acquired high draft picks. Has Calgary done any of that?

Make a bet? No I don't give a #### if they make it or not, Columbus is heading in the right direction with a well stocked farm and 3 1st round picks. It took a long ass time for them to get it together but it looks like they have a team. How long before Calgary can say the same?

[dino7c]

They have no centers, its not Iginla's fault they built a team and forgot about one position

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

No one should look to Columbus as a model but they took the necessary steps to move towards a brighter future. They made big moves, took risks and acquired high draft picks. Has Calgary done any of that?

they sucked and had players who demanded to be traded...and lets be real they are on a bit of a run but still suck

Flames are sucking right now, they are well on their way

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

You clarified but you just said that if you're an Iginla fan than you're an Iginla fan first.

I highly disagree.

I said if you're an Iginla fan first you're an Iginla fan first.

You can be an Iginla fan and a Flames fan, I do understand that.

I think there are people that started watching the Flames exclusively because of Iginla, and whenever he gets any criticism they come to his defence regardless of what he does or doesn't do.

Originally Posted by photon

By definition it's not a discussion when someone addresses a general group of people (that aren't all present) that share a point of view rather than responding directly what people are posting.

I'm not saying drop it, I'm saying reply to people rather than saying "there are Iginla fans, and then there are Flames fans. There's a huge difference." which is just a way to deride the first group implying they aren't the second.

If it is a discussion, which poster specifically are you talking to that is an Iginla fan but not a Flames fan (because there's a huge difference)?



You think it's sad but it's not a criticism?

I think it's sad and it's not a criticism, correct.