The Drive for 30th

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't think so. They'd talk the guy up sure. But Feaster wouldn't have gone on a big spiel about how we were going to trade the 1st rounder until Weisbrod scouted the kid, how Weisbrod thought he could be the best player coming out of that draft.

Feaster was clearly being quite honest and open about the fact that Jankowski was the guy they were targetting.

Maybe FDW... for the most part if it was any other GM I'd totally agree with you... but this Jay Feaster is a talker.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They had Jankowski stitched on his sweater, in the pre-draft interview the entire management and scouting staff was in attendance. He was the player they wanted

Again, it doesn't mean that they didn't have others ahead of Jankowski. That's the only point I'm making. If you want to believe that they got who they would have picked at 14, you can, I just don't feel the need to make that assumption.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They had Jankowski stitched on his sweater, in the pre-draft interview the entire management and scouting staff was in attendance. He was the player they wanted

In addition Jankowski said the Flames interviewed him AGAIN the day of the draft.

Some of you guys need to rewatch the coverage methinks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1j-Uqs_oEE

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

In addition Jankowski said the Flames interviewed him AGAIN the day of the draft.

Some of you guys need to rewatch the coverage methinks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1j-Uqs_oEE

Honestly, you might be right here. I forgot about the jersey the Flames had all stitched up for him.

Fun to speculate though either way.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

No they don't always say that and they certainly don't talk the kid up the way they talked up Jankowksi. I've watched the last 18 or so drafts and seen hundreds of interviews with GMs. You guys are not acknowledging the difference between what Feaster said last year and the usual speech given.

Well the fact remains that they risked losing Jankowski too by trading down and giving several other teams a chance to pick him. If they had him so high and clearly ahead of the rest, why did they take that risk? I think the safe assumption is that they simply had several players pretty much even, whatever their exact order on their list, and therefore didn't really mind losing any specific one to other teams.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Maybe FDW... for the most part if it was any other GM I'd totally agree with you... but this Jay Feaster is a talker.

Well agree to disagree then.

I did lose a lot of faith in his talking with the "intellectual honesty", "fool me twice" and then nothing at the trade deadline last year. That said the two situations don't compare. Feaster had no need to talk up Jankowski to the extent he did. They didn't say Sven would be the best player to come out of his draft. They've never said that before about anyone.

Like I said I've watched hundreds of draft interviews with GM's over the years and I think you can tell the difference. If we had taken Finn or Sieloff there there's no way Feaster says they were going to trade the 1st rounder until Weisbrod saw Finn/Sieloff and that they think Finn/Sieloff could be the best player out of the draft. It's clear they were targeting Jankowski and had him top 10 if not top 5.

[dammage79]

In regards to the Jankowski pick. I had a feeling then that they wanted Grigorenko if he fell into their lap and Jankowski was the next in line. Both fit the size, skill and need by position bill. Only difference between the both I think was Grigo was closer to being NHL ready.
I personally have no issue with the pick they made because it was exactly what the Flames should have been drafting in the first round. Now if they get either McKinnon or Barkov, that is two centers so close together in age that it could be a good long time before the Flames ever need to grab another top two center.

[timbit]

Good old pre- ROR Jay. What a " spieler".

Actually, I believed they were targeting Jankowski, when they made the trade with Buffalo.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

[...] It's clear they were targeting Jankowski and had him top 10 if not top 5.

They had their top-5 guy available at 14 and they still traded down? Yeah, it's not clear at all.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well agree to disagree then.

I did lose a lot of faith in his talking with the "intellectual honesty", "fool me twice" and then nothing at the trade deadline last year. That said the two situations don't compare. Feaster had no need to talk up Jankowski to the extent he did. They didn't say Sven would be the best player to come out of his draft. They've never said that before about anyone.

Like I said I've watched hundreds of draft interviews with GM's over the years and I think you can tell the difference. If we had taken Finn or Sieloff there there's no way Feaster says they were going to trade the 1st rounder until Weisbrod saw Finn/Sieloff and that they think Finn/Sieloff could be the best player out of the draft. It's clear they were targeting Jankowski and had him top 10 if not top 5.

If you put a microphone in Jay Feasters face he will spend 30 minutes convincing you water is not wet.

Jay Feaster probably talks to his kettle to convince it to boil.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Wolven

They might have said that but the chances that they would have had a jersey with that player's name on it would have been considerably less likely.

Unless of course they just used a selection of iron on letters and could have a jersey made up in about 30 seconds!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Well the fact remains that they risked losing Jankowski too by trading down and giving several other teams a chance to pick him. If they had him so high and clearly ahead of the rest, why did they take that risk? I think the safe assumption is that they simply had several players pretty much even, whatever their exact order on their list, and therefore didn't really mind losing any specific one to other teams.

Scouting can be a gamble sometimes. Part of the job of the scouts is to try and get a sense of where other teams have a player so that you know if the player might be available later. With a guy like Jankowski it was probably pretty easy for them to identify which other teams were scouting him heavily and where they were picking.

Clearly in this case they thought there was a high chance that if they dealt down Jankowski would still be there. It was certainly a gamble but it was a gamble they won.

It happens later in the draft too. If you have a guy that your scouts just love and would be comfortable taking in the 2nd round, you might gamble and hope he's available in the 3rd if your scouts think that most teams don't have him ranked as high as your team does.

Classic case of a gamble they lost was when they dealt down and took Chucko. Had we stayed where we were I think they would have taken Zajac instead. They liked both and gambled one would still be there after dealing down. Unfortunately we got the crappy one.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

They had their top-5 guy available at 14 and they still traded down? Yeah, it's not clear at all.

What isn't clear about it. If you can get a guy you had in your top 5 at 20 something and pick up a 2nd rounder as well then you do it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by timbit

Good old pre- ROR Jay. What a " spieler".

Actually, I believed they were targeting Jankowski, when they made the trade with Buffalo.

I will say if you covet a player like it appears the Flames did you run a risk of not getting that player by trading down so there must have been another player they also had in mind unless they had a great feel that he would be there at 21. It appears it all worked out but I wonder who they were prepared to take had another team snapped up Jankowski.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Unless of course they just used a selection of iron on letters and could have a jersey made up in about 30 seconds!

Often teams take a jersey with velcro and a bunch of names.

The fact they had a Jankowski jersey stitched up does say something. Stitched, not ironed.

[Max Cow Disease]

I have it on good authority that Weisbrod and Feaster have been eyeing Jay Bowmeister for this draft. 5 foot 3, 120 pound D-man and recent Brick Super Novice tourney champion. One of this years' younger possible selections at only nine years of age. Longer-term project.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It appears it all worked out but I wonder who they were prepared to take had another team snapped up Jankowski.

Rumours were Finn and Sieloff.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Jay Feaster is the least informative General Manager in hockey.

I would be inclined to believe precisely nothing that comes out of his mouth.

My you are just a fountain of positivity today aren't you?

Getting hard to read the constant negativity from you

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

I have it on good authority that Weisbrod and Feaster have been eyeing Jay Bowmeister for this draft. 5 foot 3, 120 pound D-man and recent Brick Super Novice tourney champion. One of this years' younger possible selections at only nine years of age. Longer-term project.

I see what you are doing there. Good one!

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

Well the fact remains that they risked losing Jankowski too by trading down and giving several other teams a chance to pick him. If they had him so high and clearly ahead of the rest, why did they take that risk? I think the safe assumption is that they simply had several players pretty much even, whatever their exact order on their list, and therefore didn't really mind losing any specific one to other teams.

The answer is really simple and it has already been stated: They knew exactly who they wanted and realized that he would still be available a little bit further down in the draft. They used that to gain a 2nd rounder on top of the player that they already wanted.