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Old 03-11-2013, 10:20 PM   #81
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This is interesting. So, why does China take such an interest in NK? I know it backed it during the Korean War, but China taking sides with NK and pissing off North America, Europe, and other democractic Asian countries makes no sense. I would think losing NK as an ally is far less damaging than potentially losing trade partners.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:27 PM   #82
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This is interesting. So, why does China take such an interest in NK? I know it backed it during the Korean War, but China taking sides with NK and pissing off North America, Europe, and other democractic Asian countries makes no sense. I would think losing NK as an ally is far less damaging than potentially losing trade partners.
Lots of reasons, first of all North Korea is still resource rich in Strategic minerals.

They do it because its one of the last Eastern communist states

Its more agreeable to China to have a strong ally on its boarder as opposed to a Western Ally

If the Chinese ever go after Taiwan they can influence Naval pressure from the South and pressure Japan better via air bases to not allow americans to launch attacks from the Japanese mainland.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:55 PM   #84
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This is interesting. So, why does China take such an interest in NK? I know it backed it during the Korean War, but China taking sides with NK and pissing off North America, Europe, and other democractic Asian countries makes no sense. I would think losing NK as an ally is far less damaging than potentially losing trade partners.
Border issues, NK residents feeling for China. U.S. potentially bordering with China if take over NK and also precious metals in the mountains
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S#!% just got same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ng_North_Korea

Hasn't meant a thing for years.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:19 AM   #86
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S#!% just got same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ng_North_Korea

Hasn't meant a thing for years.
And? I don't see NK scrapping the 1953 armistice in there anywhere.

Yes yes, it may be more rhetoric, I think we all know how NK functions.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:46 AM   #87
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This is interesting. So, why does China take such an interest in NK? I know it backed it during the Korean War, but China taking sides with NK and pissing off North America, Europe, and other democractic Asian countries makes no sense. I would think losing NK as an ally is far less damaging than potentially losing trade partners.
Best case scenario for China is that NK keeps on keeping on.

Benefits are that the buffer between US ally (SK) and China border remains and China retains importance to the west as the only country with pull in NK.

If NK goes away, the US/SK is literally at their door and they can't leverage their NK influence. What is a stronger negotiating position... "Sure we'll try to get NK to back down, by the way, how about dropping those tariffs?" or "Remember when we used to help out with NK before it fell? Well, how about you drop those tariffs?"
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And? I don't see NK scrapping the 1953 armistice in there anywhere.

Yes yes, it may be more rhetoric, I think we all know how NK functions.
And the armistice hasn't meant much of anything for years. That is all I am saying.
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Life In the USofA according to North Korea

http://video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/...en-ca-infopane
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Hoping for green text...I'm pretty sure that video is not accurately translated...
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Old 03-16-2013, 12:49 PM   #91
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Nope, apparently it's correct. It's all over the news too.

They do tell them some weird things over there. Perhaps a bit of the nuance is lost in translation, but...
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Sorry, I don't buy it. It's obviously trying to be a comedy piece. The video itself may be real, but the translation is not. People are way too gullible.
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Sorry, I don't buy it. It's obviously trying to be a comedy piece. The video itself may be real, but the translation is not. People are way too gullible.
I don't know about the translation, but I can confirm that this was reported on the mainstream news as being authentic. I saw it on the news and then looked it up on Youtube and posted it on the funny videos thread. It almost seems too over the top to be true, but that is how it was reported.
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Sorry, I don't buy it. It's obviously trying to be a comedy piece. The video itself may be real, but the translation is not. People are way too gullible.
Propaganda films can be quite hilarious. I've seen others just as stupid from both sides of the cold war.
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Washington Post says the overdub is fake:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ke-in-america/

Other sources saying overdub is fake:
http://www.businessinsider.com/north...america-2013-3

http://askakorean.blogspot.ca/2013/0...deo-shows.html

But I mean we can keep debating it here without doing research, that's good too.
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Fair enough.
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Washington Post says the overdub is fake:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ke-in-america/

Other sources saying overdub is fake:
http://www.businessinsider.com/north...america-2013-3

http://askakorean.blogspot.ca/2013/0...deo-shows.html

But I mean we can keep debating it here without doing research, that's good too.
I figured it was too good to be 100% true (which was why I resisted putting here when I saw it), but even your first researched source there admits that they reported as true at first.

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Correction: As the Huffington Post points out, this video is real but the English overdub is fake, the work of a British travel writer named Alun Hill. The original North Korean propaganda video does indeed portray life in Western countries as bleak, impoverished and hopeless, but it’s not specific to the U.S. Hill also exaggerates the video’s claims, although he is broadly true to its underlying message. Talking to the Huffington Post, Hill confirmed the video is authentic. (Though I took his overdub too seriously, I did write in an earlier version: “There are a few clues suggesting the original video, if not necessarily the English dub, may be authentic.”) I’ve modified this post to remove reference to Hull’s fake version.
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Although I will say..there's not a ton of birds around lately.
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North Korea News - North Korea Army Build Mass Grave For American Military - In Middle of Pyongyang, Designed By Kim Jong Un Personally.

Some 22,000 male and female members of the Korean Peoples Army have been taken off frontline war work this week - to construct a huge grave and memorial, designed by Kim Jong Un, in the very center of Pyongyang, the nation's capital.

But it's not for themselves,as you might have expected.

No, this is for the thousands of incoming American Military personnel who are widely expected to die in one of the bloodiest battles the world has yet seen.


It's almost a creepy kind of reverse propaganda, especially the way the memes are starting to spread online.
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But it's not for themselves,as you might have expected.

No, this is for the thousands of incoming American Military personnel who are widely expected to die in one of the bloodiest battles the world has yet seen
Delusional as usual, The only Americans NK will see will be little dots in the sky before the bombs fall, America will never invade that dumb ass country ala Irac/Afgan...they'll bomb the hell out of it and leave it for China and SK to clean up. And I suspect when the dust clears the NK people will build a memorial to thank the Americans for liberating them from tyranny.
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