[PGT] Flames win 5-2, 5th straight home win

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think he'd look better if the flames had a semblance of a defensive system, but in comparison to Anderson who is outright stealing games for Ottawa, his relative value to the team isn't close right now.

Compared further to a 100 point playmaking centre and the reigning Norris trophy winner, and the comparison is bordering on silly.

Yeah, I didn't even pay attention that part of the discussion. Just a reminder that Kipper isn't as bad as he looks because even when he was younger he took many games to get his timing right. Because of his injury, he's still in the process of getting his game together.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

What?

Calgary has gotten the same level of goaltending from Kipper as they have from MacDonald.

Don't let two or three good games from Kipper lead you back down that path. He's only been a factor in a couple of games.

Joey MacDonald has also made some game savers this year.

We are just going to have to disagree, I guess.

[flamesfever]

The score is very deceiving. If it wasn't for Kipper's magic, and a corresponding offnight for Gustafsson, Detroit was the much better team. I think Detroit's puck control and strong ability to protect the puck really stood out, and probably produced some great video for the Flames to try and emulate.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

You can slice the numbers anyway you want, more than half of the Flames injuries have been by either one player (Bouma 24) who has not played all year or two players who are AHL players who just happened to get injured in the NHL (Byron and Aliu totally 15 games). I said one of the healthiest, I did not say they were the healthiest. But compared to LA, Edmonton, Ottawa just off the top of my head they are a beacon of health.

Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson are all individually more significant injuries than Kipper and they happened to the same team.

You said one of the healthiest and they are not, probably not even top ten.

Either way though, they are now fully healed and we'll see if it makes any difference in the standings for them.

[MyFlamesFirst]

Did anyone see that tweet on TSN about Iginla and his bunch of unsharpened pencils in his stall. Am I the only one that is now curious to why that is.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

This is exactly the point. 9th place and 15th place result in the exact same thing, absolutely no chance to make noise in the playoffs. The fact that this team is unlikely to even hit the lofty heights of 9th place is all the more reason to develop an actual plan.

So far this year the Flames have 10 wins in 25 games. The teams they have actually beaten are the following:

1) Edmonton Oilers - started their starter Dubnyk
2) Detroit Red Wings - started their starter Howard
3) Columbus Blue Jackets - started their starter Bobrovsky
4) Dallas Stars - started their backup Backman
5) Dallas Stars - started their backup Backman
6) Minnesota Wild - started their starter Backstrom
7) Phoenix Coyotes - started their starter Smith
8) Vancouver Canucks - started Luongo
9) San Jose Sharks - started their backup Greiss
10) Detroit Red Wings - started their backup Gustaffson

Flames have beat 4 backups in their 10 victories. That in and of itself should be scary to Flames fans.

And how many of the Flames backups have other teams beat in the teams "15" losses? If you can say that the Flames would have lost to their starters for sure, please tell us the next lottery numbers.

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It doesn't bother me at all, but *1*this forum is here to look at the Flames in a more critical and thoughtful manner, as opposed to just as a simple entertainment product. That doesn't mean we aren't having fun doing so. But you know what's super duper fun? Winning playoff rounds.

*2*If you just want to cheer vapidly for everything the Flames do though, go nuts. Also feel free to check out the official Flames message board. I'm sure they're having a blast!

Bold *1*: No, this forum is a viable product because it increases the amount of fun we have. I love coming here after a victory during a game we are losing and reading the entire thread. I like to read what people are saying and maybe even put in my 2cents. The function of this board is to increase the amount of "fun" I get out of an already established entertainment vehicle.


You, also, visit this board because it gives you something to do inbetween games.... hockey related fun. You are not an active member on this board to help steer the flames organization int he right direction, you are here to speculate and fill that void........all leading to entertainment

Kind of like being a member on a Walkingdead forum.

*2* YES! I love cheering for the Flames win or lose but more when they win, even if its far and few inbetween.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

And how many of the Flames backups have other teams beat in the teams "15" losses? If you can say that the Flames would have lost to their starters for sure, please tell us the next lottery numbers.

That is easy, the Flames have lost 8 times with their backup in the nets, they have won 6 times. With their starter they have won 4 times and lost 7 times. You just have to go to NHL.com for that answer. Not sure about the lottery numbers though.

[Phanuthier]

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[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

That is easy, the Flames have lost 8 times with their backup in the nets, they have won 6 times. With their starter they have won 4 times and lost 7 times. You just have to go to NHL.com for that answer. Not sure about the lottery numbers though.

Just to make myself clear, you keep saying the Flames beat the other teams backups to justify your point about how lousy the Flames are. If they are so lousy then what are the other teams that beat the Flames backups 8 times. See I can also say that if our starter was in the net then we wouldn't have lost those 8 games and our record would be so much better. Neither you, nor I, have any idea on how the other teams starter, or the Flames, would have played and whether or not that would have an affect on the current records of the teams.

I admire your posts usually but please don't state your opinion of things as facts. I choose to see the bright side of the game, or acknowledge the bad of the game. The Flames played a lousy game and won, so I am happy. Monday they played a good game and lost, again I am happy. Me telling everyone else how to react to the games doesn't accomplish anything and makes it really hard to read some of these threads

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Just to make myself clear, you keep saying the Flames beat the other teams backups to justify your point about how lousy the Flames are. If they are so lousy then what are the other teams that beat the Flames backups 8 times. See I can also say that if our starter was in the net then we wouldn't have lost those 8 games and our record would be so much better. Neither you, nor I, have any idea on how the other teams starter, or the Flames, would have played and whether or not that would have an affect on the current records of the teams.

I admire your posts usually but please don't state your opinion of things as facts. I choose to see the bright side of the game, or acknowledge the bad of the game. The Flames played a lousy game and won, so I am happy. Monday they played a good game and lost, again I am happy. Me telling everyone else how to react to the games doesn't accomplish anything and makes it really hard to read some of these threads

No, there are a 101 things I could say to justify why the Flames are not very good. My point was that they have got victories against backups, if the Flames get back into the race they will not likely be facing backups at the frequency they have so far this season. To date they have faced the following backups

1) 6-3 Loss to Colorado (Giguere in net)
2) 3-2 OT Loss to Hawks (Emery in net)
3) 7-4 Win over Dallas (Bachman in net)
4) 5-2 Loss to Blues (Allen in net)
5) 4-3 Win over Dallas (Bachman in net)
6) 3-1 Loss to LA (Bernier in net)
7) 4-1 Victory over San Jose (Griess in net)
8) 5-2 Victory over Detroit (Gustaffson in net)

If one eliminates the Vancouver and Anaheim games since they more or less go with a true rotation (this being 5 games) the Flames have played 40% of their games against backups. If you want to include the backups (goalies who have played less games) in the Vancouver and Anaheim matchups, you can add on 1 game with Hiller in net and 1 game with Luongo in net. Which would be 10 out of 25 or still 40%. Playing 40% of your games against backups is a high number in the NHL (the average starter plays around 70% of the games). My only point was that the Flames have benefited from low expectations from other teams thus they have faced backups more. If they get into the hunt again, that will change and the percentage of starters they will face will go up.

The Flames right now it could be argued have benefited from facing backups, going 5-4-1 against backups. It is not unreasonable to suggest that if they face starting goaltenders they will have a more difficult time getting victories than against backups.

[Oy Tiggins]

Did anyone else notice Jarome using two different kinds of skates last night? I know he cycles through sticks, but to change skates in the middle of a game seems a bit strange.

[CaramonLS]

I should add - I was really impressed with Joakim Andersson last night. I think the Wings may have found a good 3rd line C who can chip in offensively with him.

Seemed to have really good size and defensive instincts.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I should add - I was really impressed with Joakim Andersson last night. I think the Wings may have found a good 3rd line C who can chip in offensively with him.

Seemed to have really good size and defensive instincts.

Yeah,I like him as a player.

No flash but I think lots of substance.

[Jayems]

Not sure if it has been discussed, but did anyone see that poor girl get pretty much KO'd by the slingshot bowling thing last night in the second intermission?

At about centre ice, the rubber strap or whatever moved up from her lower back and into her shoulder area and catapulted her face into the ice. Luckily she was wearing a helmet with a cage... yikes... Felt really bad for her.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

No, there are a 101 things I could say to justify why the Flames are not very good. My point was that they have got victories against backups, if the Flames get back into the race they will not likely be facing backups at the frequency they have so far this season. To date they have faced the following backups

1) 6-3 Loss to Colorado (Giguere in net)
2) 3-2 OT Loss to Hawks (Emery in net)
3) 7-4 Win over Dallas (Bachman in net)
4) 5-2 Loss to Blues (Allen in net)
5) 4-3 Win over Dallas (Bachman in net)
6) 3-1 Loss to LA (Bernier in net)
7) 4-1 Victory over San Jose (Griess in net)
8) 5-2 Victory over Detroit (Gustaffson in net)

If one eliminates the Vancouver and Anaheim games since they more or less go with a true rotation (this being 5 games) the Flames have played 40% of their games against backups. If you want to include the backups (goalies who have played less games) in the Vancouver and Anaheim matchups, you can add on 1 game with Hiller in net and 1 game with Luongo in net. Which would be 10 out of 25 or still 40%. Playing 40% of your games against backups is a high number in the NHL (the average starter plays around 70% of the games). My only point was that the Flames have benefited from low expectations from other teams thus they have faced backups more. If they get into the hunt again, that will change and the percentage of starters they will face will go up.

The Flames right now it could be argued have benefited from facing backups, going 5-4-1 against backups. It is not unreasonable to suggest that if they face starting goaltenders they will have a more difficult time getting victories than against backups.

Again you are missing the point. Everyone acknowledges that yes the Flames have faced back up goalies 40% of the time, but the other team has also faced the Flames back up goalies 60% of the time. You can not factor in wins and losses in any equation only utilizing one side of the stats, i.e. Flames facing back up goalies.

And you don't know the bolded part for sure. Maybe the other teams realize that the Flames can score goals and put their back ups in because they don't want to get their starters confidence lowered, see I can make assumptions and pie in the sky predictions also. I am just saying, if you want to spend all of the time watching the games, and evaluating them afterwards looking for the negatives in why the Flames are where they are then it must be terrible HAVING to watch such a terrible thing. I watch the Flames, and my Flyers, because it is enjoyable to watch, win or lose, and not to analyze how crappy they are doing.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

This is exactly the point. 9th place and 15th place result in the exact same thing, absolutely no chance to make noise in the playoffs. The fact that this team is unlikely to even hit the lofty heights of 9th place is all the more reason to develop an actual plan.

So far this year the Flames have 10 wins in 25 games. The teams they have actually beaten are the following:

1) Edmonton Oilers - started their starter Dubnyk
2) Detroit Red Wings - started their starter Howard
3) Columbus Blue Jackets - started their starter Bobrovsky
4) Dallas Stars - started their backup Backman
5) Dallas Stars - started their backup Backman
6) Minnesota Wild - started their starter Backstrom
7) Phoenix Coyotes - started their starter Smith
8) Vancouver Canucks - started Luongo
9) San Jose Sharks - started their backup Greiss
10) Detroit Red Wings - started their backup Gustaffson

Flames have beat 4 backups in their 10 victories. That in and of itself should be scary to Flames fans.

Out of curiosity, in which of these did we play our backup?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Again you are missing the point. Everyone acknowledges that yes the Flames have faced back up goalies 40% of the time, but the other team has also faced the Flames back up goalies 60% of the time. You can not factor in wins and losses in any equation only utilizing one side of the stats, i.e. Flames facing back up goalies.

And you don't know the bolded part for sure. Maybe the other teams realize that the Flames can score goals and put their back ups in because they don't want to get their starters confidence lowered, see I can make assumptions and pie in the sky predictions also. I am just saying, if you want to spend all of the time watching the games, and evaluating them afterwards looking for the negatives in why the Flames are where they are then it must be terrible HAVING to watch such a terrible thing. I watch the Flames, and my Flyers, because it is enjoyable to watch, win or lose, and not to analyze how crappy they are doing.

Well good for you then, I watch the Flames when they are doing well and think about how they can be even better and when they suck I think about how they can do better. I would say a very small minority of fans watch games for the sole purpose of something to do without ever pondering what can be done to improve their team. In fact I cannot even think of a sports fan I know who does not have an opinion on how their teams can get better. Right now in my opinion the way for the Flames to get better is for them to trade away the vast majority of their aging assets for younger players, prospects and picks and regroup in the summer. Others have a different opinion. But I would say very few fans just watch without any analysis.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Out of curiosity, in which of these did we play our backup?

Games 3 through 8 on that list.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Oy Tiggins

Did anyone else notice Jarome using two different kinds of skates last night? I know he cycles through sticks, but to change skates in the middle of a game seems a bit strange.

I would have only noticed if he was suddenly wearing pink skates....not THAT big of a Flames nerd.