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Rhettzky · 03-14-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

For man games lost from guys that are currently good enough to make the roster they have lost 25 man games. Even if you include Bouma and Sven they have only lost 60 man games.

The Flyers for instance (not including Pronger or Leighton) have lost 70 games to injury. Most teams will have lost more.

They have almost lost 75 man-games according to their website. Definitely not the healthiest in the league! More like middle of the pack.

Phanuthier · 03-14-2013, 10:26 AM

Put 5 behind the former "best goaltender not in the NHL"

(just laugh and move on, not a shot to anyone; it was probably Detroit or Jim Nill or someone like that)

EddyBeers · 03-14-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

They have almost lost 75 man-games according to their website. Definitely not the healthiest in the league! More like middle of the pack.

Ha, that includes Paul Byron and Akim Aliu. I guess if you are going to include guys that would never ever be on the NHL team as man games lost, I should have included Pronger and Leighton for the Flyers. The Flames have been one of the healthiest teams in the league, that is almost for sure. The Oilers have had more injuries, the Canucks have had more injuries, it is hard to think of a team that has not had more injuries.

It is pathetic that the Flames include Byron and Aliu for NHL man games lost to injury.

the_professsor · 03-14-2013, 10:37 AM

Yah missing Kipper for over half the season isn't a big deal.

Rhettzky · 03-14-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Ha, that includes Paul Byron and Akim Aliu. I guess if you are going to include guys that would never ever be on the NHL team as man games lost, I should have included Pronger and Leighton for the Flyers.

Well they include total man-games lost to injury. Those two have little to do but even if you take their games out...

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The Flames have been one of the healthiest teams in the league, that is almost for sure.

...this statement is completely false.

Recent article from NHL.com at the half-way mark of the season.

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5. Lucky health for the top five
Despite injuries being a storyline for most teams through the first half, the Blackhawks, Canadiens, Anaheim Ducks, Pittsburgh Penguins and Boston Bruins have been relatively healthy. It's no coincidence that they are the top five teams in the NHL.

Ironically, the Blackhawks have been hit hardest of these five teams. They lost 55 man-games to injury before the streak ended and forward Patrick Sharp sustained a shoulder injury that will cost him 3-4 weeks. However, defenseman Steve Montador, who hasn't played all season because of a concussion, makes up nearly half of the man-games lost.
The Canadiens had 45 man-games lost to injury through 24 games, but more than half of that is taken up by Petteri Nokelainen, who hasn't played all season because of an injury. Brandon Prust also is out now with a minor shoulder separation.

The other three teams -- Pittsburgh, Anaheim and Boston -- combined for only 43 man-games lost to injury through the weekend, including just seven for the Bruins.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659682

Like I said, middle of the pack at 75 and I would argue that the injury to Kipper was the most significant of all teams injured players so far.

the2bears · 03-14-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Ha, that includes Paul Byron and Akim Aliu. I guess if you are going to include guys that would never ever be on the NHL team as man games lost, I should have included Pronger and Leighton for the Flyers. The Flames have been one of the healthiest teams in the league, that is almost for sure. The Oilers have had more injuries, the Canucks have had more injuries, it is hard to think of a team that has not had more injuries.

It is pathetic that the Flames include Byron and Aliu for NHL man games lost to injury.

You'd then need to apply your unique "worthy of being counted on IR" filter to all the other teams. Otherwise your comparison isn't completely fair. I think your point has some merit, I'm just not sure the numbers from other teams don't have similar situations.

EddyBeers · 03-14-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the_professsor

Yah missing Kipper for over half the season isn't a big deal.

Once Kipper gets a better record than the backups one could talk about it being a big deal I suppose. Fact of the matter is 11 of the Flames 12 forwards have been healthy for the vast majority of the season (a couple games missed for Glencross and Cammy) and their backend has been healthy the entire season.

SuperMatt18 · 03-14-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Well they include total man-games lost to injury. Those two have little to do but even if you take their games out...

...this statement is completely false.

Recent article from NHL.com at the half-way mark of the season.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659682

Like I said, middle of the pack at 75 and I would argue that the injury to Kipper was the most significant of all teams injured players so far.

Karlsson, Spezza, and Anderson were all likely bigger injuries...and they were all to the same team.

the_professsor · 03-14-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Once Kipper gets a better record than the backups one could talk about it being a big deal I suppose. Fact of the matter is 11 of the Flames 12 forwards have been healthy for the vast majority of the season (a couple games missed for Glencross and Cammy) and their backend has been healthy the entire season.

Nice sample size...10 games played this year. He's been the MVP of the team for the last 6-7 years.

Name a forward or D other than maybe Bouw who is even as close to valuable

HELPNEEDED · 03-14-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

Legitimate Playoff fun >>>>>> Mediocrity fun.

Who do you think is having more fun right now, Pens, Hawks, Ducks fans...or us?

I'd say I'm having fun, more fun then you.

Why does it bother you?

I will continue to have fun. The flames are not my life just my entertainment.

Thats all, no more then that.

EddyBeers · 03-14-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Well they include total man-games lost to injury. Those two have little to do but even if you take their games out...

...this statement is completely false.

Recent article from NHL.com at the half-way mark of the season.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659682

Like I said, middle of the pack at 75 and I would argue that the injury to Kipper was the most significant of all teams injured players so far.

You can slice the numbers anyway you want, more than half of the Flames injuries have been by either one player (Bouma 24) who has not played all year or two players who are AHL players who just happened to get injured in the NHL (Byron and Aliu totally 15 games). I said one of the healthiest, I did not say they were the healthiest. But compared to LA, Edmonton, Ottawa just off the top of my head they are a beacon of health.

Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson are all individually more significant injuries than Kipper and they happened to the same team.

Savvy27 · 03-14-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson are all individually more significant injuries than Kipper and they happened to the same team.

What makes you say that?

Flash Walken · 03-14-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

What makes you say that?

Because they are all better than him now

Table 5 · 03-14-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

I'd say I'm having fun, more fun then you.

Why does it bother you?

I will continue to have fun. The flames are not my life just my entertainment.

It doesn't bother me at all, but this forum is here to look at the Flames in a more critical and thoughtful manner, as opposed to just as a simple entertainment product. That doesn't mean we aren't having fun doing so. But you know what's super duper fun? Winning playoff rounds.

If you just want to cheer vapidly for everything the Flames do though, go nuts. Also feel free to check out the official Flames message board. I'm sure they're having a blast!

Parallex · 03-14-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Put 5 behind the former "best goaltender not in the NHL"

Don't laugh. as the current holders of the rights to "best goaltender not in the NHL" (Ramo) we shouldn't laugh... it invites bad kharma.

Savvy27 · 03-14-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because they are all better than him now

That's true, but beside the point. Kiprusoff's play has an enormous impact on the competitiveness of the Flames. They are a worse team than the Senators and rely more on their best players. Performance this year aside, Kiprusoff is the most talented player on the Flames and to remove him from the lineup is equal to the removal of any one of those players, especially given the talent he was replaced with.

Street Pharmacist · 03-14-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

Don't laugh. as the current holders of the rights to "best goaltender not in the NHL" (Ramo) we shouldn't laugh... it invites bad kharma.

Which is a) not karma, and b) non existent.

Laugh away all

Flash Walken · 03-14-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

That's true, but beside the point. Kiprusoff's play has an enormous impact on the competitiveness of the Flames. They are a worse team than the Senators and rely more on their best players. Performance this year aside, Kiprusoff is the most talented player on the Flames and to remove him from the lineup is equal to the removal of any one of those players, especially given the talent he was replaced with.

What?

Calgary has gotten the same level of goaltending from Kipper as they have from MacDonald.

Don't let two or three good games from Kipper lead you back down that path. He's only been a factor in a couple of games.

Joey MacDonald has also made some game savers this year.

Henry Fool · 03-14-2013, 12:22 PM

No excuse, but what happened to Kipper is that he never got the chance to get into game shape. It always takes him a few weeks to start the season.

I think we can safely assume that his numbers would not be so bad now if he hadn't gotten hurt. But again, no excuse for playing badly, just a fact.

Flash Walken · 03-14-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Fool

No excuse, but what happened to Kipper is that he never got the chance to get into game shape. It always takes him a few weeks to start the season.

I think we can safely assume that his numbers would not be so bad now if he hadn't gotten hurt. But again, no excuse for playing badly, just a fact.

I think he'd look better if the flames had a semblance of a defensive system, but in comparison to Anderson who is outright stealing games for Ottawa, his relative value to the team isn't close right now.

Compared further to a 100 point playmaking centre and the reigning Norris trophy winner, and the comparison is bordering on silly.