[NEWS] Update on Iginlas contract (but it is Francis)

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have come to expect it as just typical fodder from Erick Estrada. Sprinkled amid a number of quality posts are the ramblings of a man who likes to massage his own ego from behind a keyboard.

judge not least ye be judged, who amongst us hasn't been guilty of a bit of massage behind a keyboard!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have come to expect it as just typical fodder from Erick Estrada. Sprinkled amid a number of quality posts are the ramblings of a man who likes to massage his own ego from behind a keyboard.

I take that as a compliment.

[edslunch]

I've been trying to wade through this thread but have given up. What I think I learned is that supposedly there are no contract negotiations at present (the only pseudo-fact in the thread) and that Jarome is a coward and has no drive, wants to stay here forever but is holding the team hostage and will leave at the end of the season without any compensation because ownership is too cowardly to make a move. Did I miss anything?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I've been trying to wade through this thread but have given up. What I think I learned is that supposedly there are no contract negotiations at present (the only pseudo-fact in the thread) and that Jarome is a coward and has no drive, wants to stay here forever but is holding the team hostage and will leave at the end of the season without any compensation because ownership is too cowardly to make a move. Did I miss anything?

He also hates Cat Saturday on the Chive. Who knew?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Why can't we do a Ottawa style rebuild.

KEEP Iginla

Trade one of Giordano/Bouwmeester.
Trade Cammalleri.
Trade Kiprusoff.
Possibly move Tanguay?
Trade Sarich

Let Comeau and Cervenka go.

Go into the draft with 2-3 first rounders including our own which may be a Top 5 pick.

Go into next year with Iginla, Hudler, Backlund, Bartcshi, Stajan, Stempniak, Glenross, Horak, Top 5 pick, Reinhart

Bouwmeester/Gio, Wideman, Brodie, Wotherspoon? (Is he ready?)

Ramo, MacDonald

The team still is not good, however with the youth anything can happen.

[the_only_turek_fan]

The Flames will also have to take a chance on a former first round castoff as well.

There is nothing to lose by acquiring guys like Zach Boychuk or Tomas Hickey.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Why can't we do a Ottawa style rebuild.

KEEP Iginla

Trade one of Giordano/Bouwmeester.
Trade Cammalleri.
Trade Kiprusoff.
Possibly move Tanguay?
Trade Sarich

Let Comeau and Cervenka go.

Go into the draft with 2-3 first rounders including our own which may be a Top 5 pick.

Go into next year with Iginla, Hudler, Backlund, Bartcshi, Stajan, Stempniak, Glenross, Horak, Top 5 pick, Reinhart

Bouwmeester/Gio, Wideman, Brodie, Wotherspoon? (Is he ready?)

Ramo, MacDonald

The team still is not good, however with the youth anything can happen.

Well hasn't the team re-shuffled the deck chairs around Iginla for the better part of a decade now with limited success? That's what has got the team to 15th place today. The team has brought in his buddies like Tangs, Cammarleri, Bertuzzi, etc so it's not like the team hasn't tried it's simply that it's proven not to work.

If you have an old car with chronic engine issues what do you expect to change if you take it into a body shop and have them apply a brand new shiny coat of paint? Car may look better on the surface but it's still a beater that is nearing time to be put away. It's time to change the engine.

[Yoho]

"Why can't we do a Ottawa style rebuild"

Good idea, but I think Iginla's quote was" I don't know if I want to be a part of that" if I remember right last year.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well hasn't the team re-shuffled the deck chairs around Iginla for the better part of a decade now with limited success? That's what has got the team to 15th place today. The team has brought in his buddies like Tangs, Cammarleri, Bertuzzi, etc so it's not like the team hasn't tried it's simply that it's proven not to work.

It's time for a change of the guard and slapping another coat of paint on this team in the offseason isn't going to change what's been festering for years now.

That's a management issue, not a Jarome Iginla issue. I get that people want to turnover the asset which is Iginla, but I think it's way off base to frame in a way that makes Iginla into the problem.

TOTF's idea for rebuilding has as much merit as the scorched earth method other people are advocating. In fact, it's rare that a team trades every veteran when rebuilding. There is still a need for leadership and continuity when going with youth (as the Ottawa example points to).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's a management issue, not a Jarome Iginla issue. I get that people want to turnover the asset which is Iginla, but I think it's way off base to frame in a way that makes Iginla into the problem.

TOTF's idea for rebuilding has as much merit as the scorched earth method other people are advocating. In fact, it's rare that a team trades every veteran when rebuilding. There is still a need for leadership and continuity when going with youth (as the Ottawa example points to).

I don't get why trading Iginla is scorched earth. To me it's simply turning the page. Teams in professional sports do it all the time. You seem to think he's still part of the solution despite the fact that he's the longest serving member of a team that has advanced past the first round of the playoffs once in over 20 years. I think we have to realize that despite all the good things Iginla has done that he is not part of the solution nor part of the future for the Calgary Flames.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is entirely up to Iginla.


He may not want to move at this time...lots of things to factor in, and its his earned right to do so.

He has no more of an 'earned right' to decide if and where he moves than any other player with a NTC.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

TOTF's idea for rebuilding has as much merit as the scorched earth method other people are advocating. In fact, it's rare that a team trades every veteran when rebuilding. There is still a need for leadership and continuity when going with youth (as the Ottawa example points to).

Who here has advocated a scorched earth rebuild? You get the odd poster after a bad loss who suggests we 'trade them all!' in a bout of frustration. But I haven't seen any of the serious advocates of a rebuild suggest that the Flames trade every player over 30.

[HELPNEEDED]

I agree with all that say Igggy has no more rights then anyone else with an NTC.

His only right besides that his collecting his salary.

However, I hope he stay.s

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Who here has advocated a scorched earth rebuild? You get the odd poster after a bad loss who suggests we 'trade them all!' in a bout of frustration. But haven't seen any of the serious advocates of a rebuild suggest that the Flames trade every player over 30.

A reasonable approach to a rebuild would be to move Iginla, one of Bouwmeester/Gio and one of Cammalleri/Tanguay/Glencross, in addition to any expiring deals.

Scorched earth, I would agree, is not the way to go.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Why can't we do a Ottawa style rebuild.

KEEP Iginla

Trade one of Giordano/Bouwmeester.
Trade Cammalleri.
Trade Kiprusoff.
Possibly move Tanguay?
Trade Sarich

Let Comeau and Cervenka go.

Go into the draft with 2-3 first rounders including our own which may be a Top 5 pick.

Go into next year with Iginla, Hudler, Backlund, Bartcshi, Stajan, Stempniak, Glenross, Horak, Top 5 pick, Reinhart

Bouwmeester/Gio, Wideman, Brodie, Wotherspoon? (Is he ready?)

Ramo, MacDonald

The team still is not good, however with the youth anything can happen.

One, they have tried. Two, Iginla had said he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. Three, where is our Spezza and Karlsson and other young talent to build around?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He has no more of an 'earned right' to decide if and where he moves than any other player with a NTC.

Ummm...who said otherwise?

[troutman]

Friedman was speculating March 11 on Fan 960 that the Flames could trade Iginla, and re-sign him in the summer.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by troutman

Friedman was speculating March 11 on Fan 960 that the Flames could trade Iginla, and re-sign him in the summer.

It is completely within the rules to negotiate an agreement with him, trade him at the deadline, and then put the verbal agreement on paper and sign it July 1st, right? I don't see how it could be tampering when he is the Flames player until they trade him

From what I have come to expect from this management, the scenario seems almost too good to be true. Definitely win for the team and a win for Iginla fans if it happens

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by neo45

It is completely within the rules to negotiate an agreement with him, trade him at the deadline, and then put the verbal agreement on paper and sign it July 1st, right? I don't see how it could be tampering when he is the Flames player until they trade him

From what I have come to expect from this management, the scenario seems almost too good to be true. Definitely win for the team and a win for Iginla fans if it happens

To be honest I wish Elliot would shift his focus to the Leafs. Stop speculating on Iggy, because in my mind it would just drive Iggy's stock down. Why would I give up much if the rumour is he will just sign with the Flames in the summer. Then again I am likely giving Elliot too much credit, but really Elliot please just go make stuff up about the Leafs.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by neo45

It is completely within the rules to negotiate an agreement with him, trade him at the deadline, and then put the verbal agreement on paper and sign it July 1st, right? I don't see how it could be tampering when he is the Flames player until they trade him

Except Iginla could decide that the grass is greener on the other side and sign with which ever team he was dealt to.

If he is traded to another team, the Flames will have to bid for his services like any other team. They might have somethings working in their favour, but they would have to prove that they are a cup contender on the ice