[NEWS] Update on Iginlas contract (but it is Francis)

[bluejays]

As a side note, a better deal for the Flames would be to get Kipper to the Pens for a 1st and Fleury. Pens get to make a cup run probably for another 3 years, and the Flames get a younger goaltender who has a chance at recovering back to normal.

[868904]

Iggy is not the coward here, the cowards are the owners.

Iggy is just a jock from a small town, and ever since the age of 16, things have basically been handed to him. He's never had to make any big business decisions in his life. Even the contracts he signed with the Flames didn't take much considering his RFA status. The Flames were going to pay up no matter what.

The owners on the other hand, are big business people, they are use to making big decisions and difficult decisions. With regards to this organization, this is the biggest decision they'll have to make, and so far they have shown that they are short sighted and not forward thinking.

Iggy has already publicly said that he will waive if the team asks him to. That's about as clear an answer as Iggy can give. It's up to the owners to man up and do the right thing and yes, take a short term hit on your image and maybe in the pocketbook (not losses, just not as big earnings) for the long term gain.

[Igottago]

I've had this discussion with several friends of mine. I'm all for Iginla giving up the C and rescinding his leadership role on the team. However I haven't seen any player(s) capable of taking that role over. That's the biggest failure of this team. Iginla shouldn't be the best player on this team anymore but he still is. That is frankly unacceptable, and it demonstrates horrible drafting, development and talent acquisition by the Flames. This should be someone elses team by now, and it should be obvious who. But until another player emerges as a leader, Iginla will still be the leader because he's still better than all the second rate talent on the team. This is not an indictment on Iginla in any way, it rests squarely on the organization and their management over the years.

Its actually infuriating to know that they just pissed away the best years of Iggy and Kipper's careers. If I were them I would've left long ago.

[CSharp]

If Iggy goes, basically, the Flames will be built around Comeau. FFS, can you imagine that?!?

[Flame Of Liberty]

this is what happens when high school romantic sentiments get in a way of doing business

happens all the time actually, directors refusing to discontinue unprofitable product lines just because they were their "children" just like presidents of NHL clubs refusing to deal declining players because "they invested in them so much"

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

this is what happens when high school romantic sentiments get in a way of doing business

happens all the time actually, directors refusing to discontinue unprofitable product lines just because they were their "children" just like presidents of NHL clubs refusing to deal declining players because "they invested in them so much"

Exactly. Rather than, we invested $80 million and we are not walking away form that.

it should be

Jarome is the best $80 million investment in the history of the Flames and we owe to him to help him get a Cup.

think Raymond Bourque and you will have the right idea.

[Badgers Nose]

Bourque was traded for Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Sammy Pahlsson and a first round draft pick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Bourque was traded for Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Sammy Pahlsson and a first round draft pick.

The package Boston got for Bourque ended up being pretty insignificant in the big picture. That 1st round pick bombed (as is often the case with late 1st rounders). Grenier never amounted to being an NHL player. Pahlsson ended up playing 17 games for the Bruins before being traded for Nazarov and Traverse.

They basically traded Bourque for 4 years of Brian Rolston before he left as an unrestricted free agent. Given that the UFA age nowadays in 27, this can really complicate things. You want the player coming back to be young enough that you won't lose them right away, but young players are such a big question mark.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by fleury

As a side note, a better deal for the Flames would be to get Kipper to the Pens for a 1st and Fleury. Pens get to make a cup run probably for another 3 years, and the Flames get a younger goaltender who has a chance at recovering back to normal.

I think it would take Calgary's 1st and Kipper and even then I don't think the Pens go for it, as of right now, and it may change, Kipper is an old clapped out gpalie

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Pocket post

[badradio]

I may be in the minority, but I hope Calgary locks him up for the rest of his career... You're not going to get a return that is worth our captain. I wish Calgary fans/media treated Iggy the way Ottawa fans/media treat Daniel Alfredson.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by badradio

I may be in the minority, but I hope Calgary locks him up for the rest of his career... You're not going to get a return that is worth our captain. I wish Calgary fans/media treated Iggy the way Ottawa fans/media treat Daniel Alfredson.

They are in the playoffs on a team that has a bushel of young talent, keeping Alfredson hasn't cost them, keeping Iginla will cost the Flames dear.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by badradio

I may be in the minority, but I hope Calgary locks him up for the rest of his career... You're not going to get a return that is worth our captain. I wish Calgary fans/media treated Iggy the way Ottawa fans/media treat Daniel Alfredson.

The thing about that though is Ottawa has a winning team and they have built their roster the proper way. They also don't have to rely on Alfredson to be the #1 option for offense anymore while we do with Iginla. I bet if Alfredson was in the same situation at this stage of his career that Iginla is then the fans of their franchise would be saying the same things as well. The fans are fed up and want to see a winning product on the ice.

[bubbsy]

ottawa is a bad example. they have very strong management with murray there, who despite big mistakes like redden, have accelerated a rebuild that should have taken 3-5 years into 1 year. even this year, where their #1 center, #1 winger, #1 dman, #1 goalie have been out due to injury they remain in the hunt.

Alfreddson has been given the luxury of having star players to play with and a top center.

Iggy >> Alfreddsson,

Senators franchise/management >>>> Flames franchise/management

[868904]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

ottawa is a bad example. they have very strong management with murray there, who despite big mistakes like redden, have accelerated a rebuild that should have taken 3-5 years into 1 year. even this year, where their #1 center, #1 winger, #1 dman, #1 goalie have been out due to injury they remain in the hunt.

Alfreddson has been given the luxury of having star players to play with and a top center.

Iggy >> Alfreddsson,

Senators franchise/management >>>> Flames franchise/management

The key in Ottawa is they had someone to replace Alfredsson in Spezza prior to any need to rebuild. That team has been Spezza's for awhile now.

They also lucked out / or had amazing talent recognition in drafting Karlsson where they did.

They definitely lucked out with Anderson having a career year this year despite being a journeyman; however, they covered their tracks with Lehner and Bishop.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by badradio

I may be in the minority, but I hope Calgary locks him up for the rest of his career... You're not going to get a return that is worth our captain. I wish Calgary fans/media treated Iggy the way Ottawa fans/media treat Daniel Alfredson.

If he was signed to a contract many fans would be fine with it. But right now we are facing losing him for nothing. And as others have said Ottawa has young talent at their core. Alfredsson isn't their core.

Also, go look at their boards today. Many Ottawa fans are suggesting they trade him now that he as at then end if his contract.

[DeluxeMoustache]

What a thread. So let me get this straight. The guy is a coward and uninterested in winning. He is uncoachable, obviously won't listen to the bench boss so naturally is offered life advice in this Internet forum. Wow.

[badradio]

Originally Posted by kehatch

If he was signed to a contract many fans would be fine with it. But right now we are facing losing him for nothing. And as others have said Ottawa has young talent at their core. Alfredsson isn't their core.

Also, go look at their boards today. Many Ottawa fans are suggesting they trade him now that he as at then end if his contract.

Yeah I agree, losing him for nothing is not good, but he's not going to bring in a proven annual 30 goal scorer either... We need to bring in some of that young talent by selling off other assets. I think a lot of people relate this to the joe nieuwendyk trade where we got Iggy... But in reality it's going to be more like the Doug Gilmour trade...

[Teroy]

It's interesting to read how many of you think we owe Iginla and Kipper something. They've been paid extremely well here in Calgary. They're rich beyond what most of us will ever imagine. That wealth has come from playing a "game". We owe them nothing. They gave us a few good years that we can remember. Unfortunatley we're having this conversation when neither of them are having a good season. They're passed their prime. Their value has decreased significantly and it's doubtful it will return. Trade them for what you can get and move on. This is not a retirement home for aged players.

[Dion]

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