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jordo23 · 03-10-2013, 01:22 AM

Damn it I lost a bet! You guys are clearly the biggest bunch of bitches ever!

JohnnyB · 03-10-2013, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

this team won't make the playoffs with Miikka Kiprusoff as their #1 goalie and Jarome Iginla as their #1 forward.

So, Feaster, Edwards, King...everyone involved in Flames management, by all means - continue your incompetence, but if this team stands pat once again at the trade deadline because they're in 14th in the Western Conference but only 6-8 points out of 8th, you can consider yourselves one fan shorter.

There's no excuse. This is a cap-team that is utterly incompetent. No one else has spent the amount of money the Flames have and yielded worse results over the last 3 1/2 seasons. That is incompetence.

True. While I certainly don't think every move they've made has been bad, the moves they haven't made and the way the team is running cannot continue.

Freeway · 03-10-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by atb

Yeah I'm not a fan of Healy at all, but what he said was:

"Too much meddling though. They lose the game the other night, you got in the room, and I've been in rooms, two owners walk in the room, President, the CEO, a GM, is there anyone else who wants to stick their hand in this mess? Stay out. The players feel it. You see the way they played tonight. That is not a confident group. That is a group waiting for the shoe to fall."

It's at the end of the game broadcast on cbc.ca, at 2hrs 55min: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynight...#id=2341842404

From my experience, you see the same people around the room after a Flames win as after a Flames loss. The mood is all that is different.

3 Justin 3 · 03-10-2013, 01:51 AM

If ownership/management won't blow it up, this team isn't making the playoffs for the next 5 years at least.

I love Iginla, but we aren't making the playoffs with him, since the mandate will always be "win now" with him on the team.

So frustrating being a fan knowing that the Flames are just wrong in this situation.

JurassicTunga12 · 03-10-2013, 01:53 AM

We should protest outside the Saddledome. That'll show 'em

harmony · 03-10-2013, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

I know this is in the Post Game Thread, but this to me is a real big issue.

It might just be Feaster being disingenuous with the media in order to not reveal any cards that might be involved in current trade negotiations. However, it feels like it is actually accurate.

I don't understand what the ownership group might be smoking when looking at this team as it is compiled. There is no chance that this team is going anywhere but a bottom 5 finish in the conference.

bottom 5 (well, one of the top 4 picks) would actually be a good thing, no? it's the 9th place finishes that's a killer.

nik- · 03-10-2013, 03:02 AM

It's really a shame that we have all these factors coinciding this year, top heavy draft, bad team, expiring contracts and a short season for less pain and we have an entire management group that are stuck in a deluded mindset. We're going to blow a pretty big chance this year to swing this franchise into the future and it's frustrating.

Spinach · 03-10-2013, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

There is no chance that this team is going anywhere but a bottom 5 finish in the conference.

Why so negative? Placing 10th, or maybe even 9th, in the West is a very real possibility.

Flame Of Liberty · 03-10-2013, 03:21 AM

After years of desperately trying to avoid being Edmonton ("Scorched Earth means we'd end up being Oilers *shudder*") and "staying competitive" they are a whopping point (and game in hand) above Edmonton. howz that for intellectual honesty

Kaine · 03-10-2013, 03:34 AM

Someone really needs to open the locker room door, toss in a grenade and run like hell. I would like to believe that this is a case of "tell the media one thing while doing another" but since we have fans have little to judge that on other than the trades and moves made by the organization, it's pretty clear they are still dead set on winning now. I truly believe that management has no intention of blowing it up and building from youth.

Whatever, I'm not even mad anymore, just along for the ride.

Spinach · 03-10-2013, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If the 2 to 3 pieces are a league top 5 defenceman, goalie (under 28) and center I agree.

The lack of a #1C is beyond obvious at this point. I'm getting so sick of saying it and hearing it, that it may as well be "the need that shall not be named."

I'm not writing off Kipper just yet, and a mere top-5 dman isn't going to do much. These guys need a #1 D (similar to a Kronwall), or at least a really good #2 (like a Seabrook).

Regardless, the Flames aren't adding both a top C and a top D this season. Add in the fact that the goaltending is subpar (albeit not hopeless, since we all know what Kiprusoff can do when he's on), and their chance of making the playoffs is about as poor as the Oilers'.

Selling off veterans and getting a couple of skilled prospects and/or picks seems like such a no-brainer. Others have explained why this might not have happened.

nik- · 03-10-2013, 03:56 AM

We need a 1 and a 2 center.

868904 · 03-10-2013, 04:16 AM

Finishing for a top 5 pick isn't even the real key, it's accumulating more draft picks and then developing them right.

The Ducks were and are being built mostly without the benefit of top 5 picks, exception being Bobby Ryan. Getzlaf was drafted 19th overall, and Perry was a 28th pick. Cam Fowler was a 12th overall pick. Guys like Bonino, Etim, Palmieri, Schultz, Smid, Gardiner, vatanen, Holland, Gibson were all drafted outside of the top 5.

The Ducks do trade veterans for draft picks when they know they are out of it because the more picks they have, the more chance they have of hitting a jackpot. The Flames always tend to go into drafts with fewer picks than every other team because throughout the year they always trade them for stop gaps.

There is no reason why guys like Babchuk, Sarich, Jackman, should be around after the deadline. If you can get even a 7th rounder for them, which you should, they should be dealt. As for the rest, Iggy should go and Tanguay along with him. I think Stempniak will bring a good return given the season he is having. One of Giordano or Bouwmeester should go for a good return.

Cammy should probably stay cause he has another year left and could likely return greater next year, plus he along with Hudler, Backlund, Cervenka, Stajan and Glencross (he's not waiving to be traded, hockey is secondary to him, chuck wagon racing is his true passion) can form a competitive forward group. Supplement that group with guys like Sven, Horak, Byron, Street and on defense with Breen and Carson and any college free agents and young prospects you acquire in trade.

Da_Chief · 03-10-2013, 05:57 AM

The rebuild has so much "potential".

Seriously think Cammi, Glencross, Gio, Tanguay, Iggy and JBo can all bring in multiple 1st round picks and prospects (minimum 6 extra first rounders).

Go after the top college UFAs and guarantee them roster spots as soon as they can sign.

Then you go an throw lotsa money on a Perry-Weiss combo this off-season and see if they want to come here. If they great if not, look at Filpulla-Horton. There will be ton of money saved up. Bring back Iggy if he doesn't re-sign with the new team.

This doesn't even need to take more then one off-season.

you got PHANUEFED · 03-10-2013, 07:30 AM

If there are no major changes made at the dead line then the fans are going to want some heads to roll. Watching this team spin its wheels at 500 is becoming a joke all I can say thank god baseball is back because no one will be sporting a Flames cap any longer.

Go Blue Jays.

Caged Great · 03-10-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

The rebuild has so much "potential".

Seriously think Cammi, Glencross, Gio, Tanguay, Iggy and JBo can all bring in multiple 1st round picks and prospects (minimum 6 extra first rounders).

Go after the top college UFAs and guarantee them roster spots as soon as they can sign.

Then you go an throw lotsa money on a Perry-Weiss combo this off-season and see if they want to come here. If they great if not, look at Filpulla-Horton. There will be ton of money saved up. Bring back Iggy if he doesn't re-sign with the new team.

This doesn't even need to take more then one off-season.

That's the frustrating part of all of this.

It's like someone has a 5 dollar bill, and you say to them if you give it to me, I'll give you change for the 5 and after a short period of time, we'll give you another 5 dollar bill as well.

The Flames currently are saying no, we'll keep our 5 dollar bill thank you very much, even though they could double their assets by just doing the most common sense thing possible (exchanging current guys for prospects, and then using their cap hits on UFA's)

kehatch · 03-10-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

You missed my point.

We have no idea whether or not they are being honest with themselves in assessing the team. All we see is what is said to the media.

That is neither intellectual or honest. Have you followed the team at all?

kehatch · 03-10-2013, 08:48 AM

If this team was to trade just Cammy, Iginla, and Bouwmeester and get a top 5 pick we would have a very real chance of being competitive in the next two seasons and avoid a Edmonton style rebuild. Alternatively you lose Kipper, Iggy, and Bouwmeester for nothing and all of a sudden you are the Oilers 4 years ago.

You don't become the Oilers by doing an intelligent rebuild. You become them by mismanaging your team until the bottom falls out.

edn88 · 03-10-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

If this team was to trade just Cammy, Iginla, and Bouwmeester and get a top 5 pick...

How do you get a top five pick for those guys? Who in the bottom five right now is going to trade for them?

bubbsy · 03-10-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Caged Great

That's the frustrating part of all of this.

It's like someone has a 5 dollar bill, and you say to them if you give it to me, I'll give you change for the 5 and after a short period of time, we'll give you another 5 dollar bill as well.

The Flames currently are saying no, we'll keep our 5 dollar bill thank you very much, even though they could double their assets by just doing the most common sense thing possible (exchanging current guys for prospects, and then using their cap hits on UFA's)

it's not "like" that it is that.

Asset management is clearly lacking in our management group. Surprising considering you'd think they are decent businessmen.