03-06-2013, 09:21 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Makarov
Well, I'm not sure that I'm arguing that is a positive. I guess I really don't see the big deal either way.
What I am annoyed by, however, is CTF's reaction to their exclusion as if the exclusion of it, the champion of all Canadians (er, "taxpayers") were a slap in the face to all Canadians (er, "taxpayers") and to democracy itself. Its ridiculous.
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What do you expect them to do? This is one of their biggest news days of the year, something the organization focuses on and keys their entire operations towards.
Of course they are going to make a big deal out of it.
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03-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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#582
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Now, can you tell me what "special" interest, (IE; something that doesnt affect everyone equally) the CTF represents? Their mandate, and it doesnt matter what level of government nor what party is in power, is pretty obvious and self explanatory. More efficient government, less spending, and most importantly accountability within government WHILE they are in power.
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Ugh. NOT EVERY CANADIAN BENEFITS FROM LESS GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND LESS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. Only some do (a "special group"). Therefore, CTF represents the interests of a "special group".
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03-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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#583
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
What's more concerning to me is just how ginned up this right wing constituency is in the province. Far from being active citizens, there's a mob of malcontents looking to criticize at any moment and actually remove themselves from substantive policy discussions. This thread is a perfect example.
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Actually I think you missed the point.
The last posts in this thread is about the left wing premier physically removing the fiscally right wing constituency from some substantive policy discussions.
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03-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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#584
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_eoj
What do you expect them to do? This is one of their biggest news days of the year, something the organization focuses on and keys their entire operations towards.
Of course they are going to make a big deal out of it.
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Oh, it is exactly what I expect them to do. That is why I find them so annoying!
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"Life of Russian hockey veterans is very hard," said Soviet hockey star Sergei Makarov. "Most of them don't have enough to eat these days. These old players are Russian legends."
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03-06-2013, 09:24 AM
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#585
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_eoj
Actually I think you missed the point.
The last posts in this thread is about the left wing premier physically removing the fiscally right wing constituency from some substantive policy discussions.
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Um, what?
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"Life of Russian hockey veterans is very hard," said Soviet hockey star Sergei Makarov. "Most of them don't have enough to eat these days. These old players are Russian legends."
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03-06-2013, 09:24 AM
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#586
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by crazy_eoj
Actually I think you missed the point.
The last posts in this thread is about the left wing premier physically removing the fiscally right wing constituency from some substantive policy discussions.
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You are living proof of my previous comment.
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03-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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#587
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Calgary
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03-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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#588
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
You are living proof of my previous comment.
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As such, I'm glad to concern you.
It's quite likely that concerning part of the population (in your mind only) will elect the wild rose party to the form the next government if the latest polls are to be believed.
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03-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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#589
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by transplant99;4115663[B
]Color me surprised you are trying to spin this into something about the WR instead of what actually happened with the PC and their blatent ability to be as corrupt and full of themselves as ever. Not. You never disappoint in that regard.[/B]
Now, can you tell me what "special" interest, (IE; something that doesnt affect everyone equally) the CTF represents? Their mandate, and it doesnt matter what level of government nor what party is in power, is pretty obvious and self explanatory. More efficient government, less spending, and most importantly accountability within government WHILE they are in power.
I understand that you as an aspiring politician (or formerly anyhow) don't like the idea, but many millions of people across the country do. Which is why they represent no single "special" interest, Their's is a universal interest except for those who dont want to have to explain their mistakes, corruption and wasteful ways.
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The funniest part about that first statement is that I actually think that PC's are incredibly corrupt and have been for years. I don't think that they actually have a plan for most of the things that they do and somehow aren't taken to task for this in a meaningful way.
I suppose where the disconnect comes in though is that just because I am not in favour of the PC's doesn't mean that I'm in favour of the Wildrose or anyone else at this point. I know that seems like a cop-out, but I assure you its not. I just really don't care for what any of them are offering right now! It seems like a huge disorganized mess where we aren't getting anything accomplished and truth be told that irritates me more than anything else.
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03-06-2013, 09:29 AM
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#590
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
Laugh, vintage t99 post right here.
The CTF does not represent taxpayers as a whole they represent a constituency of right win grumps that see no place for government, myopic libertarians, and those with heavy status quo bias. Look at their donors, evaluate their policy statements, understand that your comment is clueless.
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Yeah...sure thing Pierre.
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03-06-2013, 09:30 AM
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#591
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Originally Posted by First Lady
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Well at least we didn't waste 60+ posts and engaging in hostilities for nothing...
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03-06-2013, 09:31 AM
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#592
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Edmonton
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There are a lot of questions here about why these groups should be allowed, but I think that is the wrong question.
Why are they not allowed and why was the decision made on such short notice. The facts are that these special interest groups were invited for the last 20 years and then two days before the budget they are told that there is no longer room for them at the table.
Did the PC government really just miscount and book a room that was too small to hold everyone? Otherwise, if it is a political decision, why not provide some advance notice.
My biggest complaint of the current government is that they seem so reactionary. Things don't appear planned, they just panic and change direction.
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03-06-2013, 09:32 AM
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#593
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by First Lady
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Wow... just wow.
It's like amateur hour that never ends...
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03-06-2013, 09:32 AM
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#594
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makarov
Ugh. NOT EVERY CANADIAN BENEFITS FROM LESS GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND LESS GOVERNMENT SERVICES. Only some do (a "special group"). Therefore, CTF represents the interests of a "special group".
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Look I can go all caps too!!
YES IT DOES BENEFIT ALL CANADIANS WHEN GOVERNMENT IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. WHO WOULDNT BENEFIT FROM THAT??
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03-06-2013, 09:35 AM
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#595
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by First Lady
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LOL....she has truly become a bigger waste of skin as premier than Stelmach was.
Unbelievable.
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03-06-2013, 09:36 AM
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#596
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Franchise Player
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Glad to see she finally made the right decision. Yet another media circus that she could have avoided by doing the right thing in the first place.
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03-06-2013, 09:38 AM
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#597
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Look I can go all caps too!!
YES IT DOES BENEFIT ALL CANADIANS WHEN GOVERNMENT IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. WHO WOULDNT BENEFIT FROM THAT??
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Even accepting the nebulous goal of "government efficiency" as CTF's mandate (which I don't, considering they explicitly describe themselves as " citizens advocacy group dedicated to lower taxes..."), do all Canadians agree on what efficiency means? Or on how to best achieve efficiency? Or on which Canadians should bear the brunt of achieving efficiency?
Wait, the world is more complex than "lower taxes and spending and the everybody will be happy"? I'm sure the CTF will be shocked to learn that they don't in fact represent Canadian taxpayers at all and their name and self-appointed status as "government watchdog" is just silly marketing.
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Last edited by Makarov; 03-06-2013 at 09:55 AM.
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03-06-2013, 09:40 AM
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#598
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Glad to see she finally made the right decision. Yet another media circus that she could have avoided by doing the right thing in the first place.
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Very stupid decision in the first place. As our resident left wingers proved, there was no good reason to remove these groups from access they have had for decades.
No win situation for her. So you're going into debt... deal with it.
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03-06-2013, 09:42 AM
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#599
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GP_Matt
There are a lot of questions here about why these groups should be allowed, but I think that is the wrong question.
Why are they not allowed and why was the decision made on such short notice. The facts are that these special interest groups were invited for the last 20 years and then two days before the budget they are told that there is no longer room for them at the table.
Did the PC government really just miscount and book a room that was too small to hold everyone? Otherwise, if it is a political decision, why not provide some advance notice.
My biggest complaint of the current government is that they seem so reactionary. Things don't appear planned, they just panic and change direction.
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I completely agree with this btw.
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03-06-2013, 09:50 AM
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#600
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Look I can go all caps too!!
YES IT DOES BENEFIT ALL CANADIANS WHEN GOVERNMENT IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT. WHO WOULDNT BENEFIT FROM THAT??
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So why is CTF secretive about its funding and donations? yet they demand transparency from governments.
Most lobby groups have to divulge that sort of thing. CTF somehow skates by that requirement.
We make the eco-weenies divulge their funding sources when they lobby/advocate change. Why doesn't the same standard exist for CTF or Ethical oil when they advocate?
Who is watching the watchers?
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