Kiprusoff may have more value than ever

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They didn't move Chara or Redden before UFA either, and most would say the return for Heatley wasn't great.

Shows that the key is smart drafting and dvelopment, if you succeed at that you can lose assets for nothing and it won't matter.

Didn't Heatley also cost them an extra 4m in bonuses by snubbing the Oilers?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I think this is vastly oversimplifies what happened in Ottawa. How did Ottawa get Karlsson for example, well they actually traded up in the first round because y'know they identified the player they wanted and they actually kept their picks to be able to position themselves in the draft. I can't remember the last time Calgary traded up. Because we're so flippant with picks we're usually trading down to recoup a second rounder and shinning up a turd of a first round pick to compensate.

When Ottawa does trade their picks they usually go for young guys with potential. They traded their 1st for David Rundblad. They then traded Rundblad and their 2nd for Turris.

They also amass picks and turn them into better picks. They traded two seconds for Detroit's first in 2011.

When it's clear they wont contend they trade their roster players for picks as well. Fisher went for a 1st and 3rd. Kelly went for a 2nd. Rutuu went for a 6th. Campoli went for a 2nd.

This is as rebuild mode as you can get. The Flames equivalent would be to trade Cammalleri, Stempniak, Begin, Giordano for nothing but picks.

That is my point about trading bit pieces for picks but they certainly didn't blow it up. They traded a 1st and 3rd to move up 3 spots to get Karlsson who was a bit off the board at 15 even. The Flames did a similar move this draft. They traded down to get a 2nd and got the guy they wanted the whole time. They drafted well that is the key. They traded picks to bring in Matt Cullen and Andy Sutton.

They didn't move Alfie, Philips, Spezza. They traded their 2010 first for a 2009 first (Runblad) Sutter even said at 2010 draft that he could have got a pick if he traded Erixon but liked Tom more.

Really they made smart moves trading Campoli, Fisher, and Fisher.

I just don't think the answer is moving every single vet for picks and prospects. Choose what vets you want moving forward and shop the rest

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just don't think the answer is moving every single vet for picks and prospects. Choose what vets you want moving forward and shop the rest

In a nutshell, this.

[T@T]

Kipper could bring a decent center which this team needs more than a 36 year old goalie who possibly might retire next season.

A couple of thoughts.

Florida is decimated with injurys on D and Weiss needs a change

To Florida:
Kipper,Butler

To Calgary:
Weiss and 2nd
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Carolina will most certainly fall out of a playoff spot without Ward

To Carolina:
Kipper,Babchuk

To Calgary:
Tlusty,Corvo

[StrykerSteve]

I'm confident Kiprusoff would bring in more than Stephen Weiss.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

I'm confident Kiprusoff would bring in more than Stephen Weiss.

Like who?

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Icon

If we're in 12th or worse at the deadline, that could change the win now mindset.

if we were relegated to the ECHL that still wouldn't change the win now mindset

[zamler]

Watching the Tampa/Pens game, MAF is out in space again. He makes a couple of good saves then goes blind for some reason and lets a floater go over him.

Gid er done Feaster.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by zamler

Watching the Tampa/Pens game, MAF is out in space again. He makes a couple of good saves then goes blind for some reason and lets a floater go over him.

Gid er done Feaster.

A floater that was deflected 3 feet in front of him and dramatically changed direction.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by timbit

A floater that was deflected 3 feet in front of him and dramatically changed direction.

And then proceeded to travel over his head at the lowest possible velocity while still retaining the necessary arc to get into the goal without hitting anything. He's gotta stop that.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by zamler

Watching the Tampa/Pens game, MAF is out in space again. He makes a couple of good saves then goes blind for some reason and lets a floater go over him.

Gid er done Feaster.

Off a players face and in with 3 people screening him. Hardly his fault.

[zamler]

Kipper would have stopped that is what I want the Pens management to believe.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

When Ottawa does trade their picks they usually go for young guys with potential. They traded their 1st for David Rundblad. They then traded Rundblad and their 2nd for Turris

This part is funny because a first and a secod for Turris sounds very similar to a first and a third for Oreily. Now Oreily would have cost more but Turris was far more uncertain at the time of the trade.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I guess it all depends on what Kipper wants. He looks pretty content to me.

I mean, how many people here would be excited to move if their boss came to them and said "for the same salary, we are moving you to company B based out of Detroit, they are tops in our field and should be number one in our field by year end, so pack up the family, your going to Detroit"?

You forgot about the 5 million dollar a year salary that allows them the right to do that

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by transplant99

With what has happened over the last couple days, it may be time to deal a guy i didnt think the Flames should ever should have. However, the G market has opened up to sellers, of that there is little doubt.

Personally Im not sure I want to see him go, but there is an argument for it without question.



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In Florida it appears that Theodore could be out just as long if not longer with whispers of a torn groin muscle.

Detroit may be looking as Howard has fallen off.

Pittsburgh may see Fleury as the lone obstacle to winning a SC.

Tampa may be looking as well as Lindback has been less than great.

Lots of teams could use a guy like Kipper who has a pretty solid recent past to suggest he can make a difference to a team with aspirations of a long SC run.

With only 1 million owed him after this season, if made available he would be very attractive to many a team iMO...i do wonder though how much desire Calgary management has to make a deal with him....of course if they are still thinking of making the PO's this season then its a moot point.

That being said, I really wonder if the events of last week have them re-thinking their entire approach and maybe go in a new direstion.

Yeah, 4 points out with 2 games in hand they should sell the farm. I mean, how could King and Feaster even imagine that it's a possibility........this place is like and Oiler message board.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Trade markets for goalies are notoriously brutal. Rarely see top goalies traded mid-season, rarely see big returns for them.

Add that on to the fact that Kipper hasn't really played much and when he did, he didn't exactly look good I think we may be overestimating what kind of return we'd get for him.

If he comes in and plays lights out then yes there may be some offers but as we're dictated by the win-now mandate, there is no way we'd trade him if he was helping us squeak into the playoffs so this conversation is a non-starter.

Agree with you entirely except the one team Tranny didn't mention is the Leafs whose GM has a good handle ln what Kipper can do. We have to look at Kipper as a potential loss for next season with the way his contract so any semi decent return (prospect and/or pick) will salvage something for the franchise.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by return to the red

An RFA signing a 1 year contract? I'll wait until he makes his return before tagging him with that label. If he continues at the level he was pre-injury then yes but if he regresses much like he did last year...

BUT only if he is part of a package that addresses our Center issue.

21 year olds don't regress. He had two injuries and no linemates. Once again, the rebuild talk here amuses me given the fact this fanbase can't get past 1 player having a sub par, injury ridden year

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think it was within the last couple weeks ago, but they mentioned on the radio that Ottawa had 17 drafted players in their lineup one night (After the Spezza and Karlson injuries).

17 out of 20.

Hit the nail on the head. Ottawa had draftees ready to step in to the lineup so they did partial teardown with the unintended consequence of making playoffs. We don't have much on the farm that can step in however we may pleasantly surprised with the results if we move these long term stalwarts.

People in general are afraid of change. But change is a part of life and you can either manage change or let change happen. Can you tell I'm the son of a PhD?

I do hope Feaster does look at the Ottawa experience as a way to renew the franchise however ownerships mandate may prevent that from happening, even though the resulting culture change from trading vets may push the team into the playoffs as has been done before.

Not to mention we have been winning without Kipper. House hasn't exactly fallen apart.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Might as well put me on ignore list if you have not already.

You know, I always have a devil of a time finding the ignore list, and usually just give up. So exactly how would I go about this?

(BTW, I abhor inappropriate catch phrases, and "win now" is the top of my list, followed by "slap-pass" as it relates to Hughson and the Sedins. ROR, being 22, is much less "win now" and much more "win future".)

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Agree with you entirely except the one team Tranny didn't mention is the Leafs whose GM has a good handle ln what Kipper can do. We have to look at Kipper as a potential loss for next season with the way his contract so any semi decent return (prospect and/or pick) will salvage something for the franchise.

Absolutely not. No Leafs trades anymore.

They haven't made the playoffs in 7 seasons.