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The Original FFIV · 03-03-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by browna

Sure, but is Plan B at a price deemed too steep the day before, now attractive?

Not saying his sole purpose for making a deal sooner then later is because of not getting O'Reilly, or, because his reputation has taken a hit in the fallout, but that plays a factor now, however small. Until he makes the next deal there will be the whispers that he's either gun shy and/or had his wrists slapped and not allowed to make decisions as GM. The quicker and/or bigger the deal, the more in control he still appears externally.

Like it or not, and rightly or wrongly, Feaster now has a perception issue that is going to affect the way the media/public sees him. The sooner he can resume business and make (please please please) smart (or not dumb, at least?) moves, the sooner this media storm can start to be put behind him, at least in the short term.

I don't think it's a question of the price being too steep or unattractive, rather it's that the price of plan b acquisition is steeper than plan a. Of course you try plan a because it costs less, but if that doesn't work off to plan with the understanding it will cost more. I don't think the storm that the O'Reilly situation will change fellow GMs perception of Feaster as it has to be common knowledge that the mandate from ownership is to make the playoffs. I don't think Feaster will make a deal to salvage his reputation with media/fans, it will be based on the mandate given him by ownership as they pay his salary, not media or fans.

I do hope that if we do deal our 1st to say a team like Columbus for Brassard, that we are able to throw some expiring contracts into the mix to open up room for ncaa free agents and/or get a mid level prospect back in a deal.

BigBCalgary · 03-03-2013, 08:08 AM

It may be longer than you think. I believe this offer sheet fiasco is mostly due to the lack of available peices that would suit our needs, or the prices are way too high. O'riellygate was deemed an acceptable risk because of this.

Never mind that we have way too many NMC restricting the movement of our potentially attractive pieces. I certainly would prefer it if we retained most or all of our prospects and or picks and hope our management feels the same way. There are a few guys we could move but alas, I don't believe they would fetch us much in order to improve our team.

bubbsy · 03-03-2013, 08:19 AM

i am curious to see how many of those players with NMC are interested in playing through a rebuild.

If/When iginla, kipper, bouwmeester are traded away, i doubt many of our 30+ year old NMC guys aren't willing to move to a contender.

Poe969 · 03-03-2013, 08:43 AM

I'm going to say that the Flames are going to go out tonight and cream the nucks. Management is going to restore their faith in this team and then package our first rounder in a deal to get Brad Richards or Lecavallier.

We'll end up bottom 3-5 in the league and watch a potential franchise player help another team.

memphusk · 03-03-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm going to say that the Flames are going to go out tonight and cream the nucks. Management is going to restore their faith in this team and then package our first rounder in a deal to get Brad Richards or Lecavallier.

We'll end up bottom 3-5 in the league and watch a potential franchise player help another team.

That's worst case scenario, but I can't help feel that your absolutely right.

Poe969 · 03-03-2013, 09:15 AM

If the Flames win tonight, or if it's even close I'm willing to bet they do something dumb like that.

nik- · 03-03-2013, 09:34 AM

This murderers row of upcoming games will determine the season, so it's likely they wait until after that. The problem is the chance that the Flames come out of these games 3-3 or 2-3-1 or something.

kyuss275 · 03-03-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

This murderers row of upcoming games will determine the season, so it's likely they wait until after that. The problem is the chance that the Flames come out of these games 3-3 or 2-3-1 or something.

Kind of looked like they wanted O Reilly in for the start of the California trip. Can't afford to be losing 3 games there. I would say the next 2 games will play a huge hand if they pick someone up or stand pat.

Flash Walken · 03-03-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nik-

This murderers row of upcoming games will determine the season, so it's likely they wait until after that. The problem is the chance that the Flames come out of these games 3-3 or 2-3-1 or something.

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Kind of looked like they wanted O Reilly in for the start of the California trip. Can't afford to be losing 3 games there. I would say the next 2 games will play a huge hand if they pick someone up or stand pat.

Trying to supplement the roster before a significant road trip and top teams.

Sounds like last year when Calgary were buyers at the deadline.

kehatch · 03-03-2013, 11:21 AM

I hope Feaster's next move is back to THN offices. But that is unlikely.

Joborule · 03-03-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

Get this through your heads, you are not getting Courturier for Iginla, or any player on the Flames roster for that matter.

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

That seems odd? I am pretty sure Iggy and Sven would get it done. Not that i want to trade Sven.

Why would Flyers want to give up a premier Centre prospect for a Aging RWer and a young LW who may not be as good as their Centre prospect? What do they gain in regards to what they lose?

Marquee centres are incredibly tough to get in the league. You don't simply give them up since if you want to be a contending team you need those type of assets. You moreso don't give it up when you have a potential one in a 20 year old. Those are gold and key pieces in what will keep you competeitive years down the road.

They may accept if you give up Iggy, Sven, AND the Flames first rounder this year.

kyuss275 · 03-03-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Why would Flyers want to give up a premier Centre prospect for a Aging RWer and a young LW who may not be as good as their Centre prospect? What do they gain in regards to what they lose?

Marquee centres are incredibly tough to get in the league. You don't simply give them up since if you want to be a contending team you need those type of assets. You moreso don't give it up when you have a potential one in a 20 year old. Those are gold and key pieces in what will keep you competeitive years down the road.

They may accept if you give up Iggy, Sven, AND the Flames first rounder this year.

Your saying that Couturier is worth as much, if not more, than they got for Richards or Carter?

I don't see it.

nik- · 03-03-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Your saying that Couturier is worth as much, if not more, than they got for Richards or Carter?

I don't see it.

Well in their minds when they moved out Richards and Carter they were moving out a problem. They seem to have placed a value on Couturier that is incredibly high. So to them, he's worth more. On the ice, obviously not yet.

Poe969 · 03-03-2013, 11:43 AM

nm

Enoch Root · 03-03-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

Your saying that Couturier is worth as much, if not more, than they got for Richards or Carter?

I don't see it.

Iginla Baertschi and our 1st (currently 6th overall) is much more than they got for Carter (Voracek, a 1st and a 3rd)

Anyone who thinks that the Flames would trade that for Couturier (well, a rational Flames) is delusional and can only be talking in jest because it's moronic.

But whatever, this thread has gone full tard

kehatch · 03-03-2013, 11:54 AM

I think people might be over valuing Couturier a little bit. Philly has all kinds of options at C. Giroux and Schenn are ahead of him in the pecking order and Talbot is a great 3-line option for a shutdown lone.

I don't think they are interested in Iginla or Baertschi. But if you are offering Bouwmeester and a 1st for example you might be able to pry him out of Philly.

That said, Philly is odd. Some of their players are really untouchable. Others are traded out of the blue. So who knows.

nik- · 03-03-2013, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Iginla Baertschi and our 1st (currently 6th overall) is much more than they got for Carter (Voracek, a 1st and a 3rd)

Anyone who thinks that the Flames would trade that for Couturier (well, a rational Flames) is delusional and can only be talking in jest because it's moronic.

But whatever, this thread has gone full tard

No one said the Flames would do that trade, they were speculating on what they thought Philly would want, but carry on.

$ven27 · 03-03-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

I think people might be over valuing Couturier a little bit. Philly has all kinds of options at C. Giroux and Schenn are ahead of him in the pecking order and Talbot is a great 3-line option for a shutdown lone.

I don't think they are interested in Iginla or Baertschi. But if you are offering Bouwmeester and a 1st for example you might be able to pry him out of Philly.

That said, Philly is odd. Some of their players are really untouchable. Others are traded out of the blue. So who knows.

How so?

Enoch Root · 03-03-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

No one said the Flames would do that trade, they were speculating on what they thought Philly would want, but carry on.

Philly would want the moon if they could get it - 3 or 4 1st round picks please!

That doesn't mean the conversation has to be stupid.

But carry on

kyuss275 · 03-03-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Philly would want the moon if they could get it - 3 or 4 1st round picks please!

That doesn't mean the conversation has to be stupid.

But carry on

3-4 1st round picks? LOL.

From everything i have read, the FLyers look at Couturier as a great 2 way 2nd line center in the future. Not sure how that is worth up to 4 first round picks?