Questionable things Feaster has said/done as GM of the Flames

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Nothing will change until the owners decide they care more about putting a good team on the ice instead of making money. You need only ask yourself how many good years we've had in the last 23 years - 2? 3? That tells you all you need to know about the Calgary flames, sadly

Well said.
I was thinking about this the other day. The Flames have lost in the first round or missed the playoffs 21 of the last 22 seasons.
With sellouts every game there is no reason for ownership to change.

[Perogy Man]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Nothing will change until the owners decide they care more about putting a good team on the ice instead of making money. You need only ask yourself how many good years we've had in the last 23 years - 2? 3? That tells you all you need to know about the Calgary flames, sadly

I'd like to be part owner of the Flames ( okay not millions but maybe a hundred bucks). My RRSP's are losing money but I'd like to invest in the status quo! Suck every year but still make a coin? Awesome!

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Well said.
I was thinking about this the other day. The Flames have lost in the first round or missed the playoffs 21 of the last 22 seasons.
With sellouts every game there is no reason for ownership to change.

But, as mentioned, the real profits are in the post season........last few times I have been to the dome there are lots of empty seats, I will concede that it highly likely many of those seats are sold as season tickets, but you would have to be a fool to not be concerned.

I'd be stunned if at the end of 21 of the last 22seasons the flames owners sit around and high five each other on maintaining mediocrity-theses guys are competitive businessmen who have made millions. I'd assume they enjoy winning, a lot.....

[t0rrent98]

I for one don't think Feaster has done anything wrong thus far. Yes, he's missed the playoffs since hes been here but he's also stock piled our farm team with some pretty decent prospects to come.

Sure, he's also made some horrible trades, through those trades are probably Okay-ed by the Owners/Management anyways. He's a whole lot better than Darryl Sutter was when he took over.

This team would be in worse shape than it would be if D. Sutter was GM. I am pretty sure Baerstchi would not have been chosen by the Flames but instead some Western Boy.

If the Stubborn Money Grabbing Owners would let him try and deal Iggy/Kipper away or some of the Core, he would have done it in his X amount of years here.

[IamNotKenKing]

Do you really think the Flames' owners are money grubbers?
That is so far from their thinking. They love this team and want to win, more than anything.
Yes, that's a fact.

[VladtheImpaler]

The Flames, the Oilers and the Islanders form the "Trident of Buffoonery" that makes the NHL so entertaining. I am very proud.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by vektor

There is something wrong with this team, something drastically wrong. Is it Feaster?

You need to go further on up the ladder. There has been a disconnect between the owners and the fans for a while now in terms of the perceived problem with this team. There is a very real disconnect between Ken King and the fans now too. I think we are slashing and cutting just the branches of the tree if this mess gets dumped on Feaster alone. This tree has large roots and they need to be dealt with as well.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do people keep saying this?

The Flames are only marginally profitable.

Based on what?

every media report I hear has the Flames doing just fine financially and with a sold out building, strong dollar, solid TV money and no issues with advertizers I can't imagine how they could be marginally profit outside of them doing so fancy accounting that makes it look that way so they can cry poor when needed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

Based on what?

every media report I hear has the Flames doing just fine financially and with a sold out building, strong dollar, solid TV money and no issues with advertizers I can't imagine how they could be marginally profit outside of them doing so fancy accounting that makes it look that way so they can cry poor when needed.

The numbers from Sports Illustrated (was it?) that were quoted in the lockout thread showed they were marginally profitable ($1M in the first year's numbers and $2M if I remember correctly in the updated year's numbers).

Feel free to demonstrate some fancy accounting or any other evidence that would support your view. Otherwise your post was nothing but a drive by trolling.

[Flash Walken]

Here's an intangible value: the amount of business the flames owners have been able to do on the backs of the goodwill of being team owners.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The numbers from Sports Illustrated (was it?) that were quoted in the lockout thread showed they were marginally profitable ($1M in the first year's numbers and $2M if I remember correctly in the updated year's numbers).

Feel free to demonstrate some fancy accounting or any other evidence that would support your view. Otherwise your post was nothing but a drive by trolling.

You really think that sports teams can't and don't move money around to make it look like they make less than they do? That isn't trolling thought it was pretty common knowledge that you can move expenses and profits to different areas to make it look like the club isn't making as much as they actually do. I don't have the Flames books so can't show exactly where they do this but it isn't like I am saying they are doing anything out of the ordinary or wrong.

And if they are only making a million dollars with a full arena, solid TV deal, tons of advertizing revenue and solid merchandize sales then they are a horribly run business.

[Enoch Root]

Evidence...

We would love for you to bring us some

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Evidence...

We would love for you to bring us some

Evidence of what?

I have said that many teams in sports can move money around to make it look like they aren't making as much.

I am not saying that the Flames are doing this just that it is a possibility to explain the ridiculous 1 million dollar profit reported in your numbers.

You don't want to believe that teams can do accounting things to make things appear how they want then don't I will believe guys like Paul Beeston who has actually run a team and numerous times people have talked about it in regards to NHL teams like Phoenix, Atlanta and others crying poor.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The Flames, the Oilers and the Islanders form the "Trident of Buffoonery" that makes the NHL so entertaining. I am very proud.

You know when Darryl Sutter got fired I hoped that the team would start to run in a more proper up to date manner but it appears the Flames on ice problems are deeper than the coach and supporting players and the Flames off ice problems are deeper than the man holding the GM title. This organization is rotten in its foundation.

The owners can't be fired but maybe it's time they apply the business smarts that made them millionaires to their NHL hockey team. It's pretty clear since Harley Hotchkiss departed there seems to be no voice of reason amongst the ownership group. The organization is simply being silly now.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Well said.
I was thinking about this the other day. The Flames have lost in the first round or missed the playoffs 21 of the last 22 seasons.
With sellouts every game there is no reason for ownership to change.

That's not very fair. They're not taking profit out of the flames in fact they're doing the opposite spending to the very maximum they're allowed to spend. That's quite different from what you're accusing them of.

So the budget is there you can't blame the ownership for profit taking. All you can say is that the flames have demonstrated very bad judgment in obtaining maximum value for dollars spent.

I think your own assertion disproves itself if you look at it carefully.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You know when Darryl Sutter got fired I hoped that the team would start to run in a more proper up to date manner but it appears the Flames on ice problems are deeper than the coach and supporting players and the Flames off ice problems are deeper than the man holding the GM title. This organization is rotten in its foundation.

The owners can't be fired but maybe it's time they apply the business smarts that made them millionaires to their NHL hockey team. It's pretty clear since Harley Hotchkiss departed there seems to be no voice of reason amongst the ownership group. The organization is simply being silly now.

This team may have been classier when Harley was around but it was equally bad. So what would you rather have a classy organization or winning one?

Murray Edwards is a classic red-blooded type a personality. All you need to do is look him up on Wikipedia to see the kind of success he's had. Losing would bother him much more than it would ever bother any of us. And by that I mean even being associated with losing organization would really stick in his craw.

In other threads you've complained that ownership has too much input into the day-to-day operations of the team. Are you now suggesting that they should be even more involved?

[FAN]

Originally Posted by sven

Despite my posts in the ROR thread. I actually like Feaster and the moves he made.
He made this team younger, faster, more skilled.

But he didn't make this team better.

Originally Posted by sven

What I don't like is ownership pressuring him to stay in win now mode when he should clearly be rebuilding. Thats the biggest issue with this team not Feaseter.

Umm... I won't paint such an innocent picture of Feaster. Unless you're calling Feaster a liar, Feaster has been pretty adament on the fact he wasn't the right guy for a tear down/scorched earth rebuild.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by FAN

Unless you're calling Feaster a liar, Feaster has been pretty adament on the fact he wasn't the right guy for a tear down/scorched earth rebuild.

I don't believe a word Feaster says anymore.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by zamler

I don't believe a word Feaster says anymore.

I actually do believe what Feaster says most of the time. I believe he's full of crap but I think he truely believes in his crap.

[zamler]

So it's not a lie, if you believe it?