Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco

[browna]

Originally Posted by timbit

Watch Hot Stove tonight. Won't be pretty.

Can only imagine...haven't watched that this year yet...who's usually on it? McLean, Hrudey, Friedman...Stock? Lebrun anymore?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

why would the picks be gone before a decision was made? wouldn't they also be in limbo??

Just responding to clarify on this. Since the case would have to go through appeal, I would imagine that for the time being that O'Riely couldn't be on the Flames roster as well the Flames wouldn't be able to use the 1st and 3rd round picks (for trade) since those are pending due to decision. Therefore, they technically wouldn't have them though they haven't officially given them up yet. Now, Flames can still use them if they wish.

[Ro]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Really not a fan of the wording of the poll questions at all. They left out a key answer that may have swayed some voters. There's no option saying it was a bad move and ultimately Feasters fault, but no I don't think he should be fired over it.

Agree. I voted "C," even though it's not entirely representational of how I feel. Which is that he should not be fired. I just think so for different reasons.

Namely, because I think if COL had not matched, and this issue had gone into litigation, we might've had a shot at getting O'Reilly in the lineup this season. The wording in the MOU states "a team's reserve list," and O'Reilly was on "a team's" list. Colorado's.

If the spirit of the amended clause was to allow teams to bring players over from Europe during the season without penalty (avoiding a Nabokov situation), and that's what I believe, then it's far from black and white.

So there's that. Additionally, if we can believe that the 29 other GMs, the league office, and the agent in question were all not aware of the complexity of the situation, I'm letting Feaster slide just a little because he had the balls to go out and be aggressive and make this move. If ownership is pressuring against a full rebuild (and I think they absolutely are), then this was an aggressive and strategic move (in the sense that the contract was intended to be very difficult for COL to match) that I want my team's GM to pull the trigger on.

Gonna be an interesting Hot Stove tonight, like someone above me just mentioned. Friedman is pretty connected and I'll be eager to hear if there's any more insight into what might have been.

[troutman]

If this went to litigation it could be tied up for years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by browna

Wrong wording, fine...but implying that Edwards should've had more intimate knowledge of each of the finer points and clauses, and that should somehow preclude someone else in the organization such as Feaster from ultimate liability and responsibility, is incorrect.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think that ME has a personal understanding of the intent of that clause. Not claiming that he did, just presenting the possibility into the discussion in this thread.

As for precluding Feaster form liability and responsibility, I never said that.

One of the primary criticisms of Feaster in this is that he didn't call the league - and that is a valid criticism that I have also made.

On that issue, someone said that Feaster should have talked to someone who knew what the rule was.

I posited that ME might well be one of those people.

But I also said that I have no idea whether Feaster talked to him about it.

The fact of the matter is that it is still uncertain as to whether the allegations against Feaster are entirely accurate, and I am anxiously awaiting word from the league. On this, I think it is certainly a possibility that Feaster and ME talked and that they are completely confident in the rule. I am not stating that that is what happened, but it is a possibility.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ro

Gonna be an interesting Hot Stove tonight, like someone above me just mentioned. Friedman is pretty connected and I'll be eager to hear if there's any more insight into what might have been.

Can't wait for Hot Stove

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by sven

Lol nothing happened?

Like the anaology some have used, why don't you get loaded tonight and drive home. If you make it home safe, its all good right?


We became the laughing stock of the NHL AND our GM's credibility was shot

Terrible analogy.

[Ro]

Originally Posted by troutman

If this went to litigation it could be tied up for years.

Yeah, can you imagine?

I would bet Calgary would push for a quick settlement, but would they really want this issue in the hands of arbitrator?

And would they still be able to retain his rights even if he sat out, or would he have to go on waivers right away?

You know the league would argue in favor of the owners, and therefore be on COL's side. That's another thing that pisses me off- if the NHL itself is so pro-GM and anti-offersheet, then why write it into the CBA at all? This whole thing is such a circus.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ro

Yeah, can you imagine?

I would bet Calgary would push for a quick settlement, but would they really want this issue in the hands of arbitrator?

And would they still be able to retain his rights even if he sat out, or would he have to go on waivers right away?

You know the league would argue in favor of the owners, and therefore be on COL's side. That's another thing that pisses me off- if the NHL itself is so pro-GM and anti-offersheet, then why write it into the CBA at all? This whole thing is such a circus.

Please explain this view.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ro

Yeah, can you imagine?

I would bet Calgary would push for a quick settlement, but would they really want this issue in the hands of arbitrator?

And would they still be able to retain his rights even if he sat out, or would he have to go on waivers right away?

You know the league would argue in favor of the owners, and therefore be on COL's side. That's another thing that pisses me off- if the NHL itself is so pro-GM and anti-offersheet, then why write it into the CBA at all? This whole thing is such a circus.

It's a slippery slope though. The point of RFAs is to limit the power they have over the teams that have their rights. If they don't have a hard deadline for when a player has to stop playing in Europe, it gives more power to the player.

The balance of power between teams and RFAs is very important to 29 other teams in the NHL. Ultimately, if the Flames had to be a casualty, it's probably something the NHL as a whole would accept and could live with (especially after Feaster just essentially killed 2nd contracts before the CBA ink was even dry).

[sven]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Terrible analogy.

Yeah I guess I'll avoid analogies.

Basically the premise is no harm no foul but the crux of the matter is, I just don't like that the poor move we made which left us completely open and vulnerable if Sherman had the knowledge to expose us.

We were lucky that Sherman was like Feaster in the sense that he obviously wasn't aware of the clause or misinterpreted it like Feaster.

[jayswin]

Mods, any chance we could try this poll again with a simple yes or no. I'd be interested in the results. The current options are a little misleading.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Ro

That's another thing that pisses me off- if the NHL itself is so pro-GM and anti-offersheet, then why write it into the CBA at all? This whole thing is such a circus.

The "anti-offer sheet" statement is a bit misguided; sure, its not used a lot.

However, in this case the twist is that had ROR not played in Europe post lockout, there would've be no waiver condition on the Flames.

Not as "Pro (COL) GM" as I think you're thinking in this case.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Mods, any chance we could try this poll again with a simple yes or no. I'd be interested in the results. The current options are a little misleading.

You keep asking but it's basically already that. The question is should he be fired? 2 of the 3 options are in opposition of firing.

[sun]

I have to believe that Feaster was right and he knew what he was doing. Anything else is too unsettling and depressing for me. Ignorance is bliss and koolaid is delicious.

And hey, it could be worse... our GM could be Sherman.

[dino7c]

obviously he's not going to be fired over this I think we should move on, the offer was matched within 3 hours it wasn't even close to happening

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by sun

I have to believe that Feaster was right and he knew what he was doing. Anything else is too unsettling and depressing for me. Ignorance is bliss and koolaid is delicious.

And hey, it could be worse... our GM could be Sherman.

I'd like to think that.. But he couldn't have known for sure that the Avs would have matched, and then we'd be in a whole world of trouble. Feaster would probably be fired by now if it did happen too, Hindsight's 20/20 I suppose though.
Also, for the flack that both GMs are getting for this situation Sherman's a pretty good GM, I'd take him over Feaster given the chance.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I'd like to think that.. But he couldn't have known for sure that the Avs would have matched, and then we'd be in a whole world of trouble. Feaster would probably be fired by now if it did happen too, Hindsight's 20/20 I suppose though.
Also, for the flack that both GMs are getting for this situation Sherman's a pretty good GM, I'd take him over Feaster given the chance.

Listening to the Fan yesterday, and they said they were surfing around the net and that the general concensus was the Colorado fans think Sherman in an idiot for matching. They hate the contract for that calibre of player. I know fans aren't always the best measure, but it sounds like many want heads to roll there too.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by BloodFetish

Actually, I'm quite pleased that Feaster has the stones to put himself in this position as I think it speaks well of what lengths he'll go to for this club.

Whether he was right to do so or not will be argued to death (with no clear victor, either). I can only hope he has the brains to match the balls.

You shouldn't be, you should wake up in a cold sweat at night wondering what Feaster's next "home run" is, to squeak this years team into the playoffs.

I would have much prefered him have the "brains" to avoid needlessly embaressing the franchise that's going to happen on hockey night in Canada tonight

After all he said it himself "He's not done"

[morgin]

Nm.