The Official Fire Feaster Thread

[Vinny01]

I am not a huge fan of the hate Edwards seems to be getting. The guy spends millions of his hard earned $ to try and give the fans a winner. I don't buy in that he just wants a profit I think he wants a winner and wants it now. The problem is he doesn't understand that is not possible. Assets have been mis-managed draft picks traded or busted and an aging team with one blue chipper in the lineup 2 solid 35 year olds and a bunch of meg depth players. I am happy we have an owner that is willing to spend what it takes to win and doesn't want this fanbase to suffer like Edmonton.

We have it better than the Oilers whose owner has sold the fans on losing=winning and threatening to move the team of the city didn't pony up more tax $.

I am thankful for Edwards but wish he could see the writing on the wall that is obvious to even the most optimistic fan

[North East Goon]

I got crucified for bringing this up 24 hours ago, but I am not as succinct as EE, so thanks for doing this thread.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

I got crucified for bringing this up 24 hours ago, but I am not as succinct as EE, so thanks for doing this thread.

Surely you see that things have changed in the last 24 hours based on a fairly inexcusable mistake that nearly cost this team dearly?

[Dagger]

Would he realistically get another job like this should he be fired? I'm not even sure The Hockey News would pick him up again.

[Dagger]

He's a good enough talker to replace Steve Strachan though.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not a huge fan of the hate Edwards seems to be getting. The guy spends millions of his hard earned $ to try and give the fans a winner. I don't buy in that he just wants a profit I think he wants a winner and wants it now.

Just like an oil and gas businessman to stay loyal to his 'old boys club' and give excessive amounts of money to a bunch of people who don't really deserve it.

[switzsvensation]

Originally Posted by MyFlamesFirst

I still think the real problem is the owners and Ken King. I like to think that both Feaster and Weisbord know that this team isn't strong enough to be a good playoff team. I think that a rebuild may have already started if the owners weren't afraid that the average fan would be upset if we traded Iggy and other players. As most of the fans watch the game for enjoyment but I don't think they follow and understand the situation we are in quite as much as us cpers.

I'm with you on that!

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Surely you see that things have changed in the last 24 hours based on a fairly inexcusable mistake that nearly cost this team dearly?

I don't like underhanded business practices, it stunk yesterday,and now it REALLY smells today.

[SuperMatt18]

I go back and forth on this.

If our GM team read the CBA over the second clause would make it seem like he was okay to play without waivers.

He was a protected player and an RFA, that's all that should matter

Team should not matter since it makes no difference. If Team A can sign him without waivers then Team Best can sign him without waivers.

It was an oversight in the creation of the MOU plain and simple.

Feaster still needs to clarify it, but had you showed me the CBA yesterday I would have second guessed it at all.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not a huge fan of the hate Edwards seems to be getting. The guy spends millions of his hard earned $ to try and give the fans a winner. I don't buy in that he just wants a profit I think he wants a winner and wants it now. The problem is he doesn't understand that is not possible. Assets have been mis-managed draft picks traded or busted and an aging team with one blue chipper in the lineup 2 solid 35 year olds and a bunch of meg depth players. I am happy we have an owner that is willing to spend what it takes to win and doesn't want this fanbase to suffer like Edmonton.

We have it better than the Oilers whose owner has sold the fans on losing=winning and threatening to move the team of the city didn't pony up more tax $.

I am thankful for Edwards but wish he could see the writing on the wall that is obvious to even the most optimistic fan

I also appreciate that the Flames owners, including Murray Edwards, are willing to spend what it takes. If Ryan O'Reilly was a Flame today, the team would also be in a great spot to continue with the current rebuild. It's not impossible to get better without blowing things up. Everyone would feel much differently today if the Flames actually had have gotten O'Reilly. Hopefully, they continue looking for that type of player. I think that they have a plan and that it just might work. Too bad for the setback yesterday.

[oilboy2]

Originally Posted by Brick

I also appreciate that the Flames owners, including Murray Edwards, are willing to spend what it takes. If Ryan O'Reilly was a Flame today, the team would also be in a great spot to continue with the current rebuild. It's not impossible to get better without blowing things up. Everyone would feel much differently today if the Flames actually had have gotten O'Reilly. Hopefully, they continue looking for that type of player. I think that they have a plan and that it just might work. Too bad for the setback yesterday.

Being an oiler fan watching this saga with the flames the past few years is really no different than the crap oiler fans have had to put up with. The oilers made offersheets, attempted to land the big fish to avoid a complete rebuild. Fact is none of that worked and they were forced to rip it up completely. I don't see the flames current practices resulting in anything different. Like it or not. Money wasn't an issue in edmonton like it isn't with calgary but that still doesn't fix huge holes.

[you got PHANUEFED]

Originally Posted by Burn13

Hire Neil Smith!?

How about no.

Doug Maclean would be better then Smith.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by robaur

I've been reading forums for a long, long time but hardly ever post.

Erick Estrada - I have no clue why you are spending so much time, effort, an energy voicing an opinion which no one in Flames management even cares for.

In fact, Flames management doesn't care for any of our opinions. it's sad that we ridicule each other in order to try to "win" an argument which holds no value in reality.

I don't think Murray Edwards cares what any of us think because he owns the team, and can do whatever he wants.

If you really want to make an impact and have an opinion that matters then put efforts towards affecting the wallet of the business Then...the management will listen to the opinion of fans.

At the end of the day....who the hell are fans ?? just peasants who pay the bills in the eyes of Flames ownership.

Our opinion is meaningless and arguing and bashing each other on the Internet is a waste of time. go do something productive.

Why are you posting if you say it isn't productive?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by SoCalFlamesFan

Well isn't that part of the equation with RFA's? You offer them so much that the team that holds the rights has to consider their salary structure and cap. Hopefully you offer them so much that they don't match because they won't play the player that much - but if they do you know you've screwed them over.

Which is what has happened right? At the end of the day? Now COL has to overpay ROR?

And yes, if the Flames had got ROR they would definitely not got a player worth 6.5.

So you postulate that Feaster is a good manager because he was prepared to risk a 1st and 2nd round pick in order to overpay a 22 year old with a cap contraction coming up?

Presumably this was all just for ***** and giggles in order to screw with the Avs

[Joborule]

I think Ken King has to be in the hot seat as well. If Feaster goes, he should as well. Or at least get him out of the hockey area and make him be the president of the Calgary Flames Sports Ownership thing like MLSE. KK has to be accountable for the teams inability to make any progression since the 06 playoffs. It's been close 9 years now since the Flames made it past the first round. He's not doing his job since he's not having the right people around to make the team play beyond April.

Unfortunately I think both keep their jobs, when at least one of them should be relieved. Extremely dark times with this franchise, with no light on the horizon.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why are you posting if you say it isn't productive?

Like the rest of us given time on our hands and a computor its this or porn

[North East Goon]

Will you be disappointed if heads don't role for this?

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by moon

I would like to see King moved up to President of Flames Sports Group or whatever it is called and oversee all the big issues with the teams the Flames now own and bring in a hockey guy as President of the Flames.

Whether this is a President/GM like Burke or a President that hires a GM like Davidson i don't care but I do want someone with a hockey backgroud in that role. Let King run all the big item things like the new stadium, maybe Sportsnet TV deals, etc. but the President runs the day to day operations and is the final say on all hockey matters.

Bob Nicholson would be ideal for this in my view but with him taking over IIHF I doubt he takes it.

I think King can still be valuable in the business aspects of the organization and especially the big picture stuff that might be a bit beyond a hockey's guys expertise but I am too worried about his opinions on the hockey direction to want him to be as close as he is to the decision making process.

As for Feaster obviously fine with him going and would prefer an extensive search for his replacement if fired. If they want Goulet or Weisbrod to step in for rest of season to maximize candidates availability so be it but just promoting a guy with no real search would be awful.

You are right, minus King having any say in hockey operations, he does not have that right. Good for Stamps fans that just brought in another paper boy to make the big decisions.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

You are right, minus King having any say in hockey operations, he does not have that right. Good for Stamps fans that just brought in another paper boy to make the big decisions.

My mistake, you are 100 percent right.

[browna]

The last technicality where a Flames GM looked silly for not doing their homework, was Button with McAmmond.

In one of his last, if not his last acts as GM, Button re-acquired McAmmond from Colorado in early March 2003 at the trade deadline, after trading him away along with Morris a week before the 02/03 season.

The league declared McAmmond ineligible to play the rest of the year, as you couldn't re-acquire a player traded away within 4 weeks of the old waiver draft and play in that same season.

http://articles.philly.com/2003-03-1...al-manager-nhl

Button was replaced in the offseason with Daryl who took on the second role of GM.

Button was on his way out for many other reasons, and his gaffe didn't potentially cost the Flames millions of dollars of money and draft picks as this one would've, but it wasn't a good parting gift, and the timing is almost 1 decade ago to the day.