Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco - Page 52 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

$ven27 · 03-01-2013, 05:21 PM

Adrian Dater @adater
O'Reilly agent Pat Morris admits on @JeffMarek and @wyshynski podcast he didn't know waiver rule. Said he wouldn't have let Flames sign if so.

Looks like nobody knew about it.

GGG · 03-01-2013, 05:23 PM

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All Players on a Club’s Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.

Avs can sign player from their RFA list in the mid-season and bring him on without waivers. It's pretty much the case of mid-season signing of RFA.

Isnt the intent of this rule to prevent UFA's like jagr was in past years from coming in for a playoff push after the KHL season is done? The intent of this isn't to change the RFA rules.

TurnedTheCorner · 03-01-2013, 05:23 PM

No, Feaster should not be fired over this. The end.

Pointman · 03-01-2013, 05:23 PM

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If Daley new this answer without thinking about it, and new that teams were putting in offer sheets on Oreily, you would think he would have sent a memo to the GM's about it. I think Daley was clueless as to this application as the rule.

NHL didn't send any memo in Nabokov's and Svatos's cases either. It means nothing, although your other points are valid.

Enoch Root · 03-01-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by $ven27

Adrian Dater @adater
O'Reilly agent Pat Morris admits on @JeffMarek and @wyshynski podcast he didn't know waiver rule. Said he wouldn't have let Flames sign if so.

Looks like nobody knew about it.

The behavior of all parties involved - the agent, the Avs, the league, other teams - suggests that no one was aware of the rule.

IMO, that does not excuse the Flames at all.

Pointman · 03-01-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Isnt the intent of this rule to prevent UFA's like jagr was in past years from coming in for a playoff push after the KHL season is done? The intent of this isn't to change the RFA rules.

Flames couldn't sign him without waivers under old RFA rules either.

Dagger · 03-01-2013, 05:28 PM

Honestly I don't buy that Morris didn't know. The clause reduces a lot of the leverage O'Reilly had with the Avalanche and makes the potential for an offer sheet basically zero had he advertised its existence.

He's paid to know the CBA inside and out, and as a partner of Don Meehan in a firm representing over 100 NHL players I highly doubt he wasn't aware.

He's just doing damage control now and trying not to sever or sour ties with people he has to deal with on a day to day basis.

opendoor · 03-01-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

Isnt the intent of this rule to prevent UFA's like jagr was in past years from coming in for a playoff push after the KHL season is done? The intent of this isn't to change the RFA rules.

The rule always existed for the reasons you said. The NHL didn't want teams loading up on European players at the end of the year to evade the cap.

Under the new CBA an exemption was put in place so if you're signing your own RFA, he won't have to pass through waivers. In the old CBA O'Reilly would've had to pass through waivers just to play for the Avalanche but they changed that for signing players you already own the rights to. At least that's the NHL's position.

Pointman · 03-01-2013, 05:30 PM

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Honestly I don't buy that Morris didn't know.

Why did he let RoR play those two KHL games then?

TurnedTheCorner · 03-01-2013, 05:31 PM

Feaster is only one lawyer, and it took a #### ton of lawyers to draft the MOU, the CBA, and to get the league to the lockout position in the first place. Blame the damn dirty lawyers. All of them, including Feaster. He deserves about 1/200th of the blame on this, at the most.

Flames in 07 · 03-01-2013, 05:32 PM

Im not going to read all 52 pages to see if this has been brought up, but Colorado screwed up almost as bad. There was no need to match last night, if they had just used the time (which you should do, just to see if you can squeeze out more from Cgy) this would come out and they'd have Feaster over a barrel. They'd be able to say, we'll save you from the worst mistake in the history of sports on this continent, and we will sign the player. All you have to do is give us a #2 and #3.

Flames in 07 · 03-01-2013, 05:33 PM

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Feaster is only one lawyer, and it took a #### ton of lawyers to draft the MOU, the CBA, and to get the league to the lockout position in the first place. Blame the damn dirty lawyers. All of them, including Feaster. He deserves about 1/200th of the blame on this, at the most.

Why blame the people who write the rules. Only one person is responsible for understanding them and using them to the best advantage for the Flames. That's the only guy responsible.

sureLoss · 03-01-2013, 05:37 PM

To say the league didn't know about the rule is a falsehood. They knew about the rule; they were the ones that told Chris Johnston that O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to play on the Flames.

What the league was unaware of was that O'Reilly played KHL games after the start of the NHL season

TurnedTheCorner · 03-01-2013, 05:38 PM

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Why blame the people who write the rules. Only one person is responsible for understanding them and using them to the best advantage for the Flames. That's the only guy responsible.

Because the army of idiots involved from both sides of the negotiation write incomprehensible rules and memos of understanding?

Flash Walken · 03-01-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

To say the league didn't know about the rule is a falsehood. They knew about the rule; they were the ones that told Chris Johnston that O'Reilly would have to clear waivers to play on the Flames.

What the league was unaware of was that O'Reilly played KHL games after the start of the NHL season

Thank you for making that distinction.

It was a phone call from the reporter to Paul Maurice, o'reilly's khl coach to confirm the statistics on the khl website that got the whole thing rolling.

The league was quite clear on the rule and likely would have clarified things for feaster immediately.

JayP · 03-01-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The behavior of all parties involved - the agent, the Avs, the league, other teams - suggests that no one was aware of the rule.

IMO, that does not excuse the Flames at all.

Agreed. The Flames were the team putting themselves out there with the offer sheet. It's their duty to understand the entire implications of that action. The other parties should know, but they don't have anything to lose by not knowing so it wasn't of great concern to them.

henriksedin33 · 03-01-2013, 05:41 PM

wow, what an embarrassing show of incompetence...looks good on him

This is the guy steering the ship???

Dion · 03-01-2013, 05:41 PM

All Feaster had to do was call Daly to get a clarification on the rule. He didn't and now the Flames have egges on their face. I find it hard to fathom that no one on the Flames would not be up to date on the CBA and it's rulings.

Sherman of the Avs has egg on his face too. Had he and his staff been up to date on the rule he could have alerted Feaster to this and in the end avoided paying O'Reilly the money he will recieve

The person that wins here is O'Reilly. Then there's Matt Duchene and his agent who will next year be pointing to O'Reilly and his contract saying if he is worth 6.4 mill then so is my player.

Dagger · 03-01-2013, 05:41 PM

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Why did he let RoR play those two KHL games then?

He would have played longer had he not been injured according to many reports. I think his plan was to stay out in Russia and cash in until Sherman either caved, traded him or met somewhere in the middle.

That or Morris plausibly wasn't aware of the provision AT THE TIME. There's no way that throughout the last month or so he didn't know.

you got PHANUEFED · 03-01-2013, 05:41 PM

The Flames are now a bigger joke then the Oilers.

Fire Feaster.