There has been a ton of arguing in this thread alone with both sides raising good points. Where as Feaster, didn't elaborate on his "interpertation" at all.
i stated that my thoughts were based off of Elliot Friedmans twitter post on the subject
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THIS is why people make fun of Edmonton. When will this stupid city figure it out? They continue to kick their own ass every day, it's impossible not to make fun of them.
The phrase "a Club" is used all over the CBA just like it's used in this "loophole". Look at the definition of an Active Roster in the CBA. Feaster might as well try and argue that the Flames own the rights to anyone in the league because an Active Roster refers to "a Club's" Reserve List.
"Ken! Ken!!! I got it!!!!!!! Look. It's right here... "A club", we're A club!"
"Woah genius!!!"
"Think I should double check with the league to make sure that we're good?"
"Jay, when you walked in here today, did you notice the shape of our building? It's a saddle. It represents the wild wild west... Do you think that a cowboy in the Wild Wild West does things like "build for the future" or "check with the league?"... No Jay. We Ride our way. Don't let anyone else tell you any different"
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Wow CP....I'd like to offer my services as official supplier of pitchforks and torches to CP. I feel it would be a great source of income to me.
Everyone just needs to relax. They released a statement. The interpretation of the rule wasn't clear and it seems like people here are more about heads rolling then looking at the reality of where the Flames are today...Same place as two days ago.
This season is a wash and I think everyone from the people working at the dome to the owners know this. Feaster has done a decent job to nnow and a mistake was made and you all want his head on a stick. The rule was interpreted the same way by ROR's agent and several others.
If the interpretation isn't clear why make a monumental decision before receiving official word? One phone call would have cleared everything up but he's so eager to show Flames fans he's not afraid to mix it up that he almost blew up the kitchen.
And if the season is a wash, giving up a first round pick, and not having any picks in the first 3 rounds of a deep draft is not the way to set about changing this franchises fortunes.
"Ken! Ken!!! I got it!!!!!!! Look. It's right here... "A club", we're A club!"
"Woah genius!!!"
"Think I should double check with the league to make sure that we're good?"
"Jay, when you walked in here today, did you notice the shape of our building? It's a saddle. It represents the wild wild west... Do you think that a cowboy in the Wild Wild West does things like "build for the future" or "check with the league?"... No Jay. We Ride our way. Don't let anyone else tell you any different"
Its cuz he went to a Ivy League school
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The rule was interpreted the same way by ROR's agent and several others.
Except for the fact that O'Reilly's agent said he didn't even know about the rule.
Someone is lying somewhere. Either the agent wanted his client to get a contract so badly that he was willing to screw the Flames, or Feaster is lying and is trying tp pass the blame.
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Wow CP....I'd like to offer my services as official supplier of pitchforks and torches to CP. I feel it would be a great source of income to me.
Everyone just needs to relax. They released a statement. The interpretation of the rule wasn't clear and it seems like people here are more about heads rolling then looking at the reality of where the Flames are today...Same place as two days ago.
This season is a wash and I think everyone from the people working at the dome to the owners know this. Feaster has done a decent job to nnow and a mistake was made and you all want his head on a stick. The rule was interpreted the same way by ROR's agent and several others.
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That is the real kicker here, the NHLPA would have raised a #### storm if he had to go through waivers had Colorado not matched.
The waiver clause would pretty much make offer sheets irrelevant during the season unless the player didn't go play somewhere else.
Could have been ugly between Flames, NHLPA, and NHL and I doubt NHL would have battled against such a small issue putting the MOU at risk.
I think that's the card Feaster was relying on. The PA is going to be on his side, and given the relationship those two parties have I can't see either side really digging in their heels.
As someone said earlier, I think worst case scenario the entire offer sheet is voided and teams are able to proceed with full knowledge of how that clause operates in this scenario.
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yes, thats what i THINK, most people here dont THINK the same as me, including you apparently - i didnt realize that because i am of a differing opinion that im not allowed to share it
99% probabilty I would say is fantastic risk management. if I were given financial advice that was 99% certain I would be over the moon
I think you are bang on. The flames - and the Avs and everyone but Daly - belief that they were free to sign ROR is the only reasonable one. I think it is less about whether they checked an more about whether they had any reason the think they needed to. The mou says rfas don't have to clear waivers. Now the league is suggesting that's only in cases they like.
There is no way Daly's position holds up. It means rfas are in fact bound to their club, not free to sign with others.
And if anyone ever tells you they are 99% certain with investment advise (which is completely different), you should run away as fast as you can.
exactly what im stating - Feaster isnt some sleazeball trying to squeeze an investment from me with promises of a huge return.
He's a successful, well educated lawyer/gm and he felt that the risk of actually losing a 1st and a 3rd for nothing were obviously incredibly low, or there is absolutely no way he would do it.
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THIS is why people make fun of Edmonton. When will this stupid city figure it out? They continue to kick their own ass every day, it's impossible not to make fun of them.
Except for the fact that O'Reilly's agent said he didn't even know about the rule.
Someone is lying somewhere. Either the agent wanted his client to get a contract so badly that he was willing to screw the Flames, or Feaster is lying and is trying tp pass the blame.
There were 4 other teams who also presented offer sheets to ROR. All the blame doesn't fall on Feaster. The NHL didn't flag the offer sheet, the agent didn't know, and there are 5 GM's in this league who also didn't understand the rule.
I agree, if Colorado hadn't matched then heads would have to role.... that's business. That didn't happen and now everyone understands the rule better
Except for the fact that O'Reilly's agent said he didn't even know about the rule.
Someone is lying somewhere. Either the agent wanted his client to get a contract so badly that he was willing to screw the Flames, or Feaster is lying and is trying tp pass the blame.
Somehow that seems unlikely to people here? Really?
I don't see why his agent wouldn't, why the hell does the kid or his agent care where the hell he ends up.
His agent let him play those two games at KHL, thus significally reducing his leverage in contract negotionations (since after those games other teams could not offersheet him).
I think that's the card Feaster was relying on. The PA is going to be on his side, and given the relationship those two parties have I can't see either side really digging in their heels.
As someone said earlier, I think worst case scenario the entire offer sheet is voided and teams are able to proceed with full knowledge of how that clause operates in this scenario.
Honestly man, I think the reality was that they didn't know, didn't check it out and screwed up.
They could always let us know who they talked to about this. The agent came out and denied they spoke to Jay about it. Jay claims to have talked to someone. Who was it?
Somehow that seems unlikely to people here? Really?
I think it's less likely, but I wouldn't completely write it off. Morris's job is to get a deal for his client... nothing less. Let's face it, if the waivers thing came out ealrier, O'Reilly would be screwed this year.
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His agent let him play those two games at KHL, thus significally reducing his leverage in contract negotionations (since after those games other teams could not offersheet him).
How much would khl pay checks have played into that. I.e. would he be entitled to a much greater sum by playing those 2 games?
This season is a wash and I think everyone from the people working at the dome to the owners know this.
Not true at all.
Feaster was willing to sacrifice our future for immediate help in O'Reilly. He also signed a 29-year-old Dennis Wideman and a 28-year-old Jiri Hudler in the summer for immediate help. He also signed 30-something Sarich to two years and gave a roster spot to a 30-something Begin.
He also went and claimed 33-year-old Joey MacDonald in order to somewhat salvage our ability to competitively goaltend while Kipper is down.
He also signed a prominent KHL player in Roman Cervenka to a bonus-laden contract for THIS YEAR.
Coaches and the GM also repeatedly state that this team is competitive and all their actions and interviews have suggested so.
They also have only played 19 out of 48 games.
Why on EARTH would they consider this season a wash at this point in time?
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