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View Poll Results: Should Jay Feaster be fired?
Yes he's the head of the hockey department 445 60.30%
No one of his reports are in charge of details like this 107 14.50%
No the offers sheet wasn't effective so no loss to the team 186 25.20%
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:53 PM   #901
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I can't believe that anyone thinks he should be fired given the state of the document and the number of teams that were under the same impression. It appears the only person who knew of this rule was Bill Daly.

It's entirely possible the Flames verified with the NHL front office before they submitted the offer sheet and that they were under the same impression as the Flames. Do you have any evidence they drafted and submitted this in a vacuum?
The other GMs were not at the point of filing an offer sheet. If you are at that stage, you make damn sure.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:53 PM   #902
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So glad the Avs matched. Imagine, just imagine if they didn't. No one would've seen this coming. How badly would this have set the Flames back?

No where to go but up now right?
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:54 PM   #903
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Who just said, that he didn't know about the rule at all, didn't he?
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Quick question (too many pages to read through), but does ROR now have to pass through waivers still even though he signed with the Av's?
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And O'Reilly's rep has otherwise stated that they didn't discuss the issue at all.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:55 PM   #904
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The other GMs were not at the point of filing an offer sheet. If you are at that stage, you make damn sure.
Agreed. I didn't find the CBA ambiguous at all when I read it but then there are others here who say that it's unclear.

If Feaster felt the same way and thought it was unclear, he should have made sure...
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:55 PM   #905
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I heard the Canucks sent an offersheet as well.
I'm actually curious as to which GMs actually sent offer sheets

That is different from thinking about an offer as an offer sheet would require doing your due diligence (which Feaster failed to do)

I would like to know what other GM didn't do their due diligence as well.
For all we know, the Canucks may have been interested (where the rumors came from) but then did their due dilligence and concluded that they should back off.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:55 PM   #906
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It's like, who cares! The offer didn't go through and even if the Avs sat on the offer for 7 full days without matching the offer, the Flames organization would have found out about the ruling and would've had the Flames go on a losing spree to make sure things went through. The spread from 8th place to the very bottom of the standings is only 9 points at the moment. I think ppl are making a mountain out of an mole hill here. Sometimes you gotta take the risk to get high rewards. That's what Feaster did.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:56 PM   #907
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I took it as an NHLPA rep, as in someone from that fold, not necessarily O'Reilly's agent. If they were implying it was O'Reilly's agent and then the agent comes out say they didn't even know this could be an issue, this looks bad.
From the Flames' statement:

Moreover, throughout our discussions, the player’s representative shared our interpretation and position with respect to the non-applicability of Article 13.23.

emphasis mine.

That can't mean anyone other than O'Reilly's agent.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #908
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Fire Feaster, fire King. These guys need to go. They've embarrassed Calgary for the last time.
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #909
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It's like, who cares! The offer didn't go through and even if the Avs sat on the offer for 7 full days without matching the offer, the Flames organization would have found out about the ruling and would've had the Flames go on a losing spree to make sure things went through. The spread from 8th place to the very bottom of the standings is only 9 points at the moment. I think ppl are making a mountain out of an mole hill here. Sometimes you gotta take the risk to get high rewards. That's what Feaster did.

What? Losing would make our picks look even better and make it harder for the Avalanche to pass them up?
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Old 03-01-2013, 03:59 PM   #910
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From the Flames' statement:

Moreover, throughout our discussions, the player’s representative shared our interpretation and position with respect to the non-applicability of Article 13.23.

emphasis mine.

That can't mean anyone other than O'Reilly's agent.
And it can't mean anything other than a representative from Flames Management spoke to O'Reilly's agent about the specific language of 13.23, who then agreed that the representative from Flames Management was correct in his assessment.

So if the agent is saying that didn't happen, I guess we're in a situation of he said she said.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:00 PM   #911
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Just reported on Sportsnet that Lawrence Gilman (Asst. GM Canucks) knew beforehand that RoR had played in Russia. The Canucks did not send an offersheet to Colorado.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1363789&page=9

Good jerb, Feaster!
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And it can't mean anything other than a representative from Flames Management spoke to O'Reilly's agent about the specific language of 13.23, who then agreed that the representative from Flames Management was correct in his assessment.

So if the agent is saying that didn't happen, I guess we're in a situation of he said she said.
Doesn't matter. The only person that Feaster needed to confirm with to avoid issue was the league. He didn't therefore he should get the boot.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:00 PM   #913
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The likely case would have been the Flames would give up even more to have him traded from the Avs RFA list to the Flames. Colorado could either get more from the Flames or let him go to Columbus
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #914
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From the Flames' statement:

Moreover, throughout our discussions, the player’s representative shared our interpretation and position with respect to the non-applicability of Article 13.23.

emphasis mine.

That can't mean anyone other than O'Reilly's agent.
I think Feaster needs to watch this:

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Old 03-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #915
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Do you have any evidence that any other team was under the same impression? Do you have any proof that the Flames did indeed verify their interpretation with the league? Do you have any evidence that this offer wasn't submitted without the slightest inquiry about the rule?

I on the other hand, have evidence that this was a rule (disputed or not) that could have cost this team their 1st and 3rd round pick (the only two picks they have in the first 3 rounds) and then some and that the Flames sumbitted an offer sheet without bringing any public inquiry or attention to this potentially disasterous exemption. I also know that ROR's agent has been quoted as saying he had no idea about the rule which would directly dispute Feasters statement where he claims to have spoken with the players representation. I would like to add that in this statement he never once said that he contacted the NHL about this issue before the submission of this offer sheet.

Using the evidence I provided above, I have come to the conclusion that anyone who believes this LAWYER should have a job leading an NHL team after this potential debacle that would have been widely regartted as the worst move in hockey histroy, is bats*** crazy.
I'm under the impression that several other teams tried to sign ROR to an offer sheet as well, but I could be mistaken. That would be evidence that the Flames weren't the only team under this impression. If the Flames were the only team to present ROR a offer sheet, then yes, I would agree, but if not, that indicates that the NHL either has some serious communication problems, or the wording was such that there didn't appear to be any issues. I'm sure the NHLPA will make sure this is clarified before the Final CBA document is released.
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Old 03-01-2013, 04:01 PM   #916
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Just reported on Sportsnet that Lawrence Gilman (Asst. GM Canucks) knew beforehand that RoR had played in Russia. The Canucks did not send an offersheet to Colorado.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1363789&page=9

Good jerb, Feaster!
funny nobody mentioned anything yesterday even though they all knew
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Doesn't matter. The only person that Feaster needed to confirm with to avoid issue was the league. He didn't therefore he should get the boot.
It matters because depending on who you believe, one party is lying. If it's o'reilly's player agent it's one thing, if it's in a public press release, it's another.
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funny nobody mentioned anything yesterday even though they all knew
That's what I was thinking too, but it could have been that this is simply the earliest this information was able to be attained.
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Just reported on Sportsnet that Lawrence Gilman (Asst. GM Canucks) knew beforehand that RoR had played in Russia. The Canucks did not send an offersheet to Colorado.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1363789&page=9

Good jerb, Feaster!
Just saw that. Does not help Feasters case, not that i think he has much of a case. Feaster was dead wrong on the ongoings of this transaction, and more than likely knows it.
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funny nobody mentioned anything yesterday even though they all knew
If the Canucks were to switch shoes with us, I hope to GOD no one would tell them until after the fact.
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