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View Poll Results: Should Jay Feaster be fired?
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Yes he's the head of the hockey department
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No one of his reports are in charge of details like this
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No the offers sheet wasn't effective so no loss to the team
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03-01-2013, 01:18 PM
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#501
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Lifetime Suspension
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I am going to assume the worst case scenario and go from there.
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03-01-2013, 01:19 PM
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#502
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands
For the lawyers:
Is is possible that Calgary would have any recourse, being that ROR and his agent were not completely forthcoming with the fact he played after the season started? Could the offer sheet then become null and void?
In my perfect world, ROR could then remain ineligible to play. There is no offer sheet to match ... in my perfect world.
Sigh. It is frustrating though, that this team is forcing me to lower my expectations for a perfect world. This, rightfully or not, blows away and creditability this management team may have acquired with some of the astute signings they made. (Hudler, Wideman). This may be enough ammo for the Feaster haters to get their wish. I hope Weisbrod does survive.
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What proof is there that ROR & co. weren't forthcoming with the fact that he was playing?
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03-01-2013, 01:19 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by blankall
Noone understood the rules, because the rules were never out lined. Daly is making them up off the top of his head.
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The rules have been the same for the last 8.5 years. The only difference is they introduced an exemption for signing your own RFAs.
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03-01-2013, 01:19 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by blankall
Noone understood the rules, because the rules were never out lined. Daly is making them up off the top of his head.
If Daly's interpretation is correct, Feaster messed up, O'Reilly's agent messed up, Sherman messed up, the plethora of other agents/lawyers/GMs who were involved in the offer sheet process or considered making an offer sheet messed up.
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You must be a lawyer now or in your past life.
You are the only person on here who is arguing another interpretation of the exemption. An interpretation, might I add, that would make the exemption itself, completely pointless and therefore one that cannot be correct.
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03-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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#505
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Mckenzie Towne
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Voting no should be an insta-ban. Natural selection.
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03-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Originally Posted by Tiger
Where is the choice that this was a good move. Everyone acts like we'd be drafting the most amazing player ever with our pick, but drafts are a risk and ror is proven. 55 points before 22 is quite awesome for a player. ROR would have been great and it addresses our needs at center
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You seem to be missing the entire point of the thread.
Ignoring that though, the structure of the ROR deal should be scary to anyone who owns his rights.
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03-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
Noone understood the rules, because the rules were never out lined. Daly is making them up off the top of his head.
If Daly's interpretation is correct, Feaster messed up, O'Reilly's agent messed up, Sherman messed up, the plethora of other agents/lawyers/GMs who were involved in the offer sheet process or considered making an offer sheet messed up.
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It took some writer of a Sports network to find something a slew of laywers from the Flames, Avs, various other NHL teams, the NHL, and the NHLPA couldn't find. If this turns out to be true, everyone looks stupid except for that writer.
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03-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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#508
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This may be a dumb question but wouldn't he have to be placed on the active roster? I really don't care if he plays this year, so what prevents them from suspending him or something. It sucks yes, but at least we don't lose him for nothing
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03-01-2013, 01:21 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
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This is Mike Milbury-esque.
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I would take Sequin 10 time out of 10 before I took Hall, I said it on draft day that drafting Hall over the TS was possibly one of the dumbest moves that Lowe made
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03-01-2013, 01:21 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
It took some writer of a Sports network to find something a slew of laywers from the Flames, Avs, various other NHL teams, the NHL, and the NHLPA couldn't find. If this turns out to be true, everyone looks stupid except for that writer.
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How do you know that this is the case?
Maybe everyone else knew but the Flames?
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03-01-2013, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by polak
The fact that he has failed miserably as a GM probably makes the hate boner much harder but regardless of record this blunder would've had a significant impact on the overall view of Feaster.
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I agree with that. I don't think he had much rope left so I can see this pushing it over the edge. I guess my question is more 'would you be willing to forgive this if other things were going well?'
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03-01-2013, 01:22 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Originally Posted by blankall
Noone understood the rules, because the rules were never out lined. Daly is making them up off the top of his head.
If Daly's interpretation is correct, Feaster messed up, O'Reilly's agent messed up, Sherman messed up, the plethora of other agents/lawyers/GMs who were involved in the offer sheet process or considered making an offer sheet messed up.
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Misery may love company, but it doesn't excuse ignorance or incompetence.
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03-01-2013, 01:22 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by polak
You must be a lawyer now or in your past life.
You are the only person on here who is arguing another interpretation of the exemption. An interpretation, might I add, that would make the exemption itself, completely pointless and therefore one that cannot be correct.
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Not that I agree with his interpretation, but your response is basically: "LOL! A loophole in the CBA? Never happen."
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03-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Originally Posted by valo403
I agree with that. I don't think he had much rope left so I can see this pushing it over the edge. I guess my question is more 'would you be willing to forgive this if other things were going well?'
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Who hired Feaster? Did D. Sutter have anything to do with his acquisition?
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03-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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#515
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This is NY Jets level of incompetence
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03-01-2013, 01:23 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
It took some writer of a Sports network to find something a slew of laywers from the Flames, Avs, various other NHL teams, the NHL, and the NHLPA couldn't find. If this turns out to be true, everyone looks stupid except for that writer.
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How do we know that other teams weren't aware of it? It doesn't change much from the Avs perspective, and none of the other teams signed him to an offer sheet. This whole situation may very well be why nobody else signed him.
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03-01-2013, 01:24 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Nick Cotsonika @cotsonika
It was Feaster's job to know. But a lot of smart, informed people inside and outside the NHL did not know about O'Reilly and waivers.
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03-01-2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
It took some writer of a Sports network to find something a slew of laywers from the Flames, Avs, various other NHL teams, the NHL, and the NHLPA couldn't find. If this turns out to be true, everyone looks stupid except for that writer.
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I agree...something doesn't add up. The entire Flames organization and all the other sports stations didn't catch this, if true. It seems crazy that no one else would.
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03-01-2013, 01:25 PM
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
It took some writer of a Sports network to find something a slew of laywers from the Flames, Avs, various other NHL teams, the NHL, and the NHLPA couldn't find. If this turns out to be true, everyone looks stupid except for that writer.
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This.
People need to relax here. If Feaster was wrong, there's several dozen other lawyers, GMs, owners, agents, etc... who were also wrong.
It was not a simple case of Feaster not seeing the rule. The rule is totally ambiguous. Daly is making an arbitrary interpretation.
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03-01-2013, 01:25 PM
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#520
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Edmonton,AB
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couldn't he just say he never played after the season started reading tsn they did spell his name wrong on the official khl roster
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