[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Unless it's changed in the new CBA (and I don't think it has) teams can opt for arbitration in lieu of giving a qualifying offer. In that situation the lowest a player can be awarded is 85% of his previous salary, so about $5.5M.

Of course that fact also makes the situation more palatable for Colorado.

You are right, I think both sides have one kick at the arbitration can, so the Flames could try to go to arbitration to knock down the salary and the QO for the next season.

[StrykerSteve]

Notable Centres around 55 points in their 20-year old season:

Joe Thornton: 60
Jason Spezza: 55
Ryan O'Reilly: 55
Vincent Lecavalier: 51
Jordan Staal: 49

First, he played more than 2500 minutes through his first two seasons. Since 2000, there have been six other forwards to play that much as 18 and 19-year-olds and it's pretty good company: Sidney Crosby, Steven Stamkos, Ilya Kovalchuk, Jordan Staal, Jeff Skinner and Sam Gagner.

Secondly, since 2000, there have been 25 forwards (including O'Reilly) to record at least 50 points in their 20-year-old NHL season.

From the whole 2009 Draft class, O'Rielly sits 4th in scoring with 107 points.

Only behind Tavares, Evander Kane, and Matt Duchene.

He also led the league in Takeaways with 101 and had only 34 giveaways.

Colorado will match.

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
A very aggressive move by the Flames. However, other GM's suggest Colorado could have fetched more than a 1st and 3rd via trade.

I believe I heard Peter Maher say the same thing. Very shrewd move by Feaster and ROR's agent. It is definitely a win-win proposition for the ROR camp as it forces the hand of the Av's.

[Weiser Wonder]

Great move from a tactical standpoint. O'Reilly can fit in with Bartschi, Horak and Brodie to start creating a core of young players.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So your argument is the ROR is all about the money.

You are saying he won't sign a long term deal at $5M with Calgary, but will with another team?

Again, why would this matter?

So you're saying ROR will refuse to take anything less than $6.5M so that he can hit free agency and then sign long term at $5M with another team?

Why wouldn't he do that with the Flames?

Why wouldn't he do that with a contending team if the Flames choose to trade him?

I don't understand your reasoning as to why he MUST hold out to get more money. He won't be getting $6.5M regardless. Everyone knows that.

You are painting him out to be a villain who is only out to screw over teams. When was the last time this happened in the NHL?

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I understand perfectly what a qualifying offer is, but no team is bound to limit themselves to this option. Again, yes, qualifying a player prevents them from becoming a UFA on July 1, 2014. Signing a 3 year deal at $5M per will also prevent him from becoming a UFA.

What benefit does ROR get by holding out on the Flames? He won't get $6.5M in free agency, so the only reason why he'd hold out is to screw over the Flames. Is that really going to happen?

Holding out? There will be no hold out. Either he gets qualified ($6.5M, can accept or decline) OR he is a UFA.

How in the bloody hell is this so hard for you to understand?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

So it's still a lottery pick. I didn't say that the odds meant O'Reilly should not be pursued. I didn't suggest that the Flames have a great shot at getting the first overall pick at the draft. I said that non-playoff teams get lottery picks.

You failed to mention that the definition of "lottery pick" has changed. Prior to this season it meant a bottom 4 finish. Not it means any non-playoff team. When your odds of winning the lottery are 0.5 of 1%, you go for the sure thing.

[calgARI]

Lebrun just tweeted that of the 5 GM's he has asked, 4 said they'd match, 1 said they'd take the picks. Of course none of those guys know the relationship between the Avs and O'Reilly.

[edn88]

From what I have heard so far - 90% of fans think this is a great move, the media thinks it is a great move, thinks it is a signal of not wanting to blow it up, and seems like a 60/40% split on media believing that Avs will match.

[Kaine]

I'm trying not to get excited over this because I would be very surprised of the Ave's did not match. Still... one can hope.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Again wrong, the only reason he would not sign the 3 year deal is because he can become a UFA and potentially sign the same deal with any team including the Flames or perhaps get a more lucrative deal. Or he bets on the Flames qualifying him at 6.5 million dollars. The only way for sure that he signs your 3 year 15 million dollar deal (outside of being a good guy) is if he does not think he can get the same deal on the open market, in which case the Flames are likely overpaying anyway.

How could he become a UFA? What am I missing?

He would only have 6 seasons under his belt.

[loob job]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

So let me get this straight...

People in the forums are excited about getting a player that put up 2nd line points at best one time in his career, paying him 6.5 million dollars, and giving up a 1st and 3rd round pick that most likely will be Jones, Drouin, MacKinnon, Barkov, etc?

So that would leave us with a 4th and 6th round pick this year?

I've never felt so frustrated as a Flames fan in my life. I'm so jealous watching these teams with young, homegrown, dynamic players putting in effort, and entertaining the fans night after night. I know I'm doing a bit of right now, but I'm feeling super p'd right now.

Couldn't agree more, one step forward two steps back.

[SportsJunky]

I just saw this now and joy fell over me. I'm not really exagerating. This would solve so many issues that have been bothering me.

The Flames so badly need a centre. Even if ROR won't be a top line guy he is much needed here. Also the way that things seem to work lately with these guys, Calgary would have just missed the playoffs again. This means they would have picked out of the top 5 or so and thus would probably not end up with a franchise type player in the draft. Now, ROR may not be that franchise guy either but he is a semi known talent and he fills one of the holes desperately needing to be filled around here.

Love it. Love it. Having said that, if I'm Colorado I match and trade. Preferabally outside of the conference.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by loob job

Couldn't agree more, one step forward two steps back.

Explain how if this goes through, that it's two steps back.

This should be good.

[M*A*S*H 4077]

If he becomes a Flame we can then use the best nickname in sports: Radar

[Sakari]

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg For the "what if the pick top 5" argument...with O'Reilly #Flames likely won't.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Lebrun just tweeted that of the 5 GM's he has asked, 4 said they'd match, 1 said they'd take the picks. Of course none of those guys know the relationship between the Avs and O'Reilly.

That's the great thing about this move, even if they do match, Feaster earns a ton of goodwill with the Flames fanbase, and Colorado signs a contract they didn't want to sign.

It's a win/win regardless.

[JiriHrdina]

I'm encourages by the fact Avs fans aren't happy

[BigFlameDog]

Thanks for the enlightenment...you bunch of friggin' nerds.

:-)

[loob job]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Explain how if this goes through, that it's two steps back.

This should be good.

You're captain obvious, figure it out.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

How could he become a UFA? What am I missing?

He would only have 6 seasons under his belt.

If you do not qualify a RFA they automatically become a UFA.