Eklund Crap

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Husky

So they would want a huge Weber contract....for a player who looks to be no where near as good with Suter (and vice versa for Suter).

They are the ones who offered that deal to Weber to begin with, and Nashville already took the hit for the signing bonus, so I don't see why they wouldn't go that route instead of Bouwmeester.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

They are the ones who offered that deal to Weber to begin with, and Nashville already took the hit for the signing bonus, so I don't see why they wouldn't go that route of Bouwmeester.

I dont think people realized how much of an impact to personal play it would be by separating Weber and Suter. They are not nearly as good apart as they were as a duo.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Husky

I dont think people realized how much of an impact to personal play it would be by separating Weber and Suter. They are not nearly as good apart as they were as a duo.

I think Suter's (and Parise's) lack of production should of been expected. Not only is he playing with a rookie, but hes playing a system that dictates defense above all else. They aren't a defensive core that's aloud to pinch or play the puck possession game, but one that's not aloud to make mistakes.

Nashville played a way more wide open game that often involved high scoring matches. He can blame Parise for making a terrible decision of what team to join which will most definitely hurt their offensive numbers. Much like the Sutter system hurt Bouw after his productive years in Florida.

[IgiTang]

So theres no "Eklund Crap" in this eklund crap thread? Just guys speculating and playing armchair gm...

[Enoch Root]

Bouwmeester for Couturier.

Calgary eats $2M of Bou's contract, making him a $4.7M defenseman for Philly.

At that price (plus considering how Schenn has progressed this year), I think they would give up Couturier.

For Couturier, I would be willing to give up Bouwmeester and rebuild my D.

[HELPNEEDED]

jbo for couturier would be epic. It would leave a whole, a huge one but it could be filled.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Bouwmeester for Couturier.

Calgary eats $2M of Bou's contract, making him a $4.7M defenseman for Philly.

How does Calgary "eats $2M of Bou's contract, making him a $4.7M defenseman for Philly"?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FAN

How does Calgary "eats $2M of Bou's contract, making him a $4.7M defenseman for Philly"?

What do you mean 'how'?

Under the new CBA, teams are able to retain a portion (up to 50%) of a player's salary and cap hit when trading them to another franchise.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What do you mean 'how'?

Under the new CBA, teams are able to retain a portion (up to 50%) of a player's salary and cap hit when trading them to another franchise.

I knew about this, but I'm not fully plugged into the details yet.....

Do teams that choose to do this retain that portion for the remainder of the season, or the remainder of the contract?

[rohara66]

Is Couturier *that* good?

Serious questions, I don’t watch tons of Philly game but he’s not exactly tearing it up. I understand all the hype on him but Bouwmeester and Jokinen had hype before they came here as well. Does he has a chance at becoming a franchise player?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Is Couturier *that* good?

Serious questions, I don’t watch tons of Philly game but he’s not exactly tearing it up. I understand all the hype on him but Bouwmeester and Jokinen had hype before they came here as well. Does he has a chance at becoming a franchise player?

He is good now and should only get better. He is only 20 IIRC. And a big bodied center. I'd trade Bouwmeester or Gio for him easy. Heck, I would probably give up my first round pick for him because He is only a year or two older than any center we would want in the draft. Much better trade option than O'Reilly IMO.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I think Suter's (and Parise's) lack of production should of been expected. Not only is he playing with a rookie, but hes playing a system that dictates defense above all else. They aren't a defensive core that's aloud to pinch or play the puck possession game, but one that's not aloud to make mistakes.

Nashville played a way more wide open game that often involved high scoring matches. He can blame Parise for making a terrible decision of what team to join which will most definitely hurt their offensive numbers. Much like the Sutter system hurt Bouw after his productive years in Florida.

Suter's points per game and Parise's goals per game are actually more or less at the same level as they were last year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I knew about this, but I'm not fully plugged into the details yet.....

Do teams that choose to do this retain that portion for the remainder of the season, or the remainder of the contract?

I believe it is for the remainder of the contract, though I am not 100% certain. Maybe someone can post a copy of the CBA excerpt

[Vinny01]

Philly refused to include both Couturier and Schenn for Weber. They may have also turned down 1 of them for Bobby Ryan. I am just not sure they give Couturier up for Bouw. When you look at their center ice depth they do have Giroux, Briere and Talbot. Schenn can be moved up the middle and Laughton is coming by the time Briere is gone. Theoretically they could move Couturier?

I would be all for a 1 for 1 swap or a package like Bouw and Cervenka/Stempniak for Couturier + Mezeros?

He is a player that helps now and in the future I hope something is in the works but not betting on it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Is Couturier *that* good?

Serious questions, I don’t watch tons of Philly game but he’s not exactly tearing it up. I understand all the hype on him but Bouwmeester and Jokinen had hype before they came here as well. Does he has a chance at becoming a franchise player?

Valid question.

He is stll a prospect and no one can know what his ceiling will eventually be.

But as prospects go, he is a big C who has shown some real effensive gifts and, at times, good hockey sense.

I am no where near as quick to want to move out Bouwmeester as some people around here, but for Couturier I would.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Philly refused to include both Couturier and Schenn for Weber. They may have also turned down 1 of them for Bobby Ryan. I am just not sure they give Couturier up for Bouw. When you look at their center ice depth they do have Giroux, Briere and Talbot. Schenn can be moved up the middle and Laughton is coming by the time Briere is gone. Theoretically they could move Couturier?

I would be all for a 1 for 1 swap or a package like Bouw and Cervenka/Stempniak for Couturier + Mezeros?

He is a player that helps now and in the future I hope something is in the works but not betting on it

Pretty sure Nashville wanted both.

They have since added Laughton, though he is no Couturier at this point.

Most importantly (IMO), Schenn has shown some progression this year. Last year, I would have kept both as well, not knowing which one would turn out. Now that Schenn is making progress, I would be a little more willing to move Couturier - though obviously I wouldn't just give him away.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Philly refused to include both Couturier and Schenn for Weber. They may have also turned down 1 of them for Bobby Ryan. I am just not sure they give Couturier up for Bouw. When you look at their center ice depth they do have Giroux, Briere and Talbot. Schenn can be moved up the middle and Laughton is coming by the time Briere is gone. Theoretically they could move Couturier?

I would be all for a 1 for 1 swap or a package like Bouw and Cervenka/Stempniak for Couturier + Mezeros?

He is a player that helps now and in the future I hope something is in the works but not betting on it

I like the of sounds of this,
Bouw + Stempniak for Couturier +..

If that doesn't work, Stempniak could fetch at least a 2nd at the deadline.
I would personally hang on to Cervenka.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Miniac

I like the of sounds of this,
Bouw + Stempniak for Couturier +..

If that doesn't work, Stempniak could fetch at least a 2nd at the deadline.
I would personally hang on to Cervenka.

I think the flames have to hold onto Cervenka because he will not have much trade value. To many flags with Cervenka for a team to take a chance on him in mid season.

His defensive game is quite bad.

Does not know english and needs a Czech player to be his translator. Maybe the Czech player on the other team wants to concentrate on his own game and not have to deal with another burden.

Then there are the medical issues with the blood clot. Add to the fact that he is home sick and misses his wife and new born baby.

I am really starting to believe that Cervenka is going to be a one and done casualty in the NHL. He will probably make as much if not more money over in Europe.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, if the Flames were to rebuild (very unlikely) Bouwmeester at a $4-5 million cap hit would probably have some really high value.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The Stars aren't trading Benn. Most of this "speculation" was going on before he was signed. They aren't going to sign a potential franchise player and trade him away for anything less than Iggy from 8-10 years ago.

I'm still sticking to my guns, if the Flames start to trade away a couple players than Cammy will go to the leafs.

Iggy 8-10 years ago was a top 5 player in the league. Jamie Benn will never be that.