I never bought that either - sounded like the standard 'we had him rated much higher' rhetoric.
the only thing I remember is Weisbrod saying that they had Sieloff at 20, but Button said that Sieloff wasn't the only candidate, but he was just among a group of guys they liked (Matt Finn also being one of them).
First of all I can't see any reason Boston would do this. They've already won a cup recently without trading good younger players for aging players who are about to ride into the sunset.
Second of all, contend for what? There are no signs of light at the end of this tunnel for the Flames. Especially with management and meddling owners not willing to move aging talent or begin a rebuild.
Just to continue the discussion on the idiocy of flames nation article, tj Brodie, one of our up and coming solid young players only scored at a .64 ppg, so based on this article we should expect culkin and Wotherspoon to be better than Brodie.... Would be awesome if that happened but what a stupid article
Brodie didn't have any post-draft years where he was lower than those guys.
08-09 (OHL): 0.79 pts/g; NHLE of 20 pts.
09-10 (OHL): 0.86 pts/g; NHLE of 21 pts.
10-11 (AHL): 0.50 pts/g; NHLE of 23 pts.
11-12: (NHL): 21 point pace
12-13 (AHL): 0.57 pts/g; NHLE of 26 pts.
12-13 (NHL): 24 point pace
It's hardly a foolproof metric, but it's proven to be a fairly accurate predictor based on about 40 years of data, especially for guys in the AHL.
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Of those 32 centers, 10 were acquired through trade or free agency.
Thornton, Richards, Carter, Sutter (traded a top center for him), McDonald, Steen, Handzus, Kelly, Peverley, Stoll.
One was acquired this past offseason (Sutter).
You need to draft good centers it is as simple as that. Centers just are not available in the UFA market or to be had easily through a trade.
Good post. I agree that they are not easy or cheap to acquire at all.
However you will not be successful without good center depth, never mind having only one serviceable center on your entire roster. For a team who constantly talks about winning now and not rebuilding, you can't wait to draft one. It doesn't make sense to try and compete now without making improving that position a mandatory move. Either go get one and try to compete or admit you're rebuilding through the draft...just carrying on knowing your chances of succeeding without one are slim at best doesn't make sense.
I'm not saying I support competing now or rebuilding one way or the other, simply their mandate of winning now doesn't align with their glaring hole at the most important position.
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It was intimated on the radio on Monday night (one of the benefits of working in Central Montana right now, I can get The Fan 960 at night!) that Blair Jones was demoted because he refused to play with any physicality. Can't remember if it was Maher or Francis who said that.
Brad Richards is an albatross in New York right now. Rumor has it that they want to move him. I've never liked the guy, but buy low might apply here. I wouldn't be a fan of the move but given Feaster's push to sign him it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed all in again on Richards.
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Brad Richards is an albatross in New York right now. Rumor has it that they want to move him. I've never liked the guy, but buy low might apply here. I wouldn't be a fan of the move but given Feaster's push to sign him it wouldn't surprise me if he pushed all in again on Richards.
That would be sweet, the Rangers have already covered a huge chunk of the money on his contract. If it doesn't work he would be easy to trade after a few years when his actual salary is a fraction of his cap hit.
That would be sweet, the Rangers have already covered a huge chunk of the money on his contract. If it doesn't work he would be easy to trade after a few years when his actual salary is a fraction of his cap hit.
You mean "cap jail" ? Wouldn't he have a NMC?
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Are there actual rumours Brad Richards is going to be moved? I have only heard speculation from NY media that he could be their 2nd compliance buyout because they need to sign Stepan, McDonaugh, and Hagilen in the summer. Having said that they do not need to do anything until the summer where they might find a buyer
If the Flames made a trade for him now I assume the Rangers would want futures and expirings. While Richards would likely be better playing Hartley's uptempo system where he rides his top players over Torts line rolling system. What I would be okay with the Flames offering is Cervenka, Butler, Comeau but that is not enough to get it done. Also I wouldn't want to deal any prospects unless it is Howse or Nemisz. Any way no way a trade would be worked out and if Feaster gave up valuable assets it would be a nightmare. Even without giving up good assets it has potential to blow up in the Flames face. 7 more years at $6.7M and he is 32. I have no doubt Feaster would have interest though as Richards is above and beyond a better centre than anything we have and he chased him before
I was alright with the attempt to sign Richards when he was a UFA, and all it would have cost to get him then was money (not mine!) and contract space, and it would have made our team better last year, this year, and probably for a few more years down the road.
Not sure I want to be giving up anything of value to acquire him now though, especially since almost two more seasons of his prime years have been and gone since then.
Are there actual rumours Brad Richards is going to be moved? I have only heard speculation from NY media that he could be their 2nd compliance buyout because they need to sign Stepan, McDonaugh, and Hagilen in the summer. Having said that they do not need to do anything until the summer where they might find a buyer
If the Flames made a trade for him now I assume the Rangers would want futures and expirings. While Richards would likely be better playing Hartley's uptempo system where he rides his top players over Torts line rolling system. What I would be okay with the Flames offering is Cervenka, Butler, Comeau but that is not enough to get it done. Also I wouldn't want to deal any prospects unless it is Howse or Nemisz. Any way no way a trade would be worked out and if Feaster gave up valuable assets it would be a nightmare. Even without giving up good assets it has potential to blow up in the Flames face. 7 more years at $6.7M and he is 32. I have no doubt Feaster would have interest though as Richards is above and beyond a better centre than anything we have and he chased him before
From what I have read it is just speculation. Arguably with some sound logic behind it. These stupid long term deals really killed the trade market.
Stajan has taken the vast majority of faceoffs for the flames this season, 335. The next closes is Iginla at 190 and tanguay after that at 149. Of those 335, 63 have been shorthanded, the next closest is tanguay with 14 draws. He's sitting at 49.6% on the draw in all situations. Steve Begin is 0 for 9 in the faceoff circle short handed, blake comeau 4 and 7.
An injury to Stajan this year could be mean a 15th place finish overall.
Forget Kipper, forget Iginla, forget Bouwmeester. Stajan is the Flames most important player.
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Stajan has taken the vast majority of faceoffs for the flames this, 335. The next closes is Iginla at 190 and tanguay after that at 149. Of those 335, 63 have been shorthanded, the next closest is tanguay with 14 draws. He's sitting at 49.6% on the draw in all situations. Steve Begin is 0 for 9 in the faceoff circle short handed, blake comeau 4 and 7.
An injury to Stajan this year could be mean a 15th place finish overall.
Forget Kipper, forget Iginla, forget Bouwmeester. Stajan is the Flames most important player.
...the fact I don't flat out disagree with this paints an extremely pathetic picture. The Flames are in a world of hurt organizationally and they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Stajan has taken the vast majority of faceoffs for the flames this season, 335. The next closes is Iginla at 190 and tanguay after that at 149. Of those 335, 63 have been shorthanded, the next closest is tanguay with 14 draws. He's sitting at 49.6% on the draw in all situations. Steve Begin is 0 for 9 in the faceoff circle short handed, blake comeau 4 and 7.
An injury to Stajan this year could be mean a 15th place finish overall.
Forget Kipper, forget Iginla, forget Bouwmeester. Stajan is the Flames most important player.
Ugh.
This guy was a prime buy out candidate before this season started, and now he's arguably our most important player?
Kudos to him for having a resurgence, but ouch.
Hurry back Mikael.
Hurry up and develop Jankowski, Granlund, Reinhart, Deblouw.
Hurry up and sign in CGY as a UFA Getzlaf.
Good lord, what a mess.
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This guy was a prime buy out candidate before this season started, and now he's arguably our most important player?
Kudos to him for having a resurgence, but ouch.
Hurry back Mikael.
Hurry up and develop Jankowski, Granlund, Reinhart, Deblouw.
Hurry up and sign in CGY as a UFA Getzlaf.
Good lord, what a mess.
There used to be three guys ahead of him on the depth chart.
At any given point last year it was
Jokinen
Backlund
Horak
Stajan
With a sprinkling of Morrison, Byron, Cammalleri and Jones.
Like Butler on the top pairing last year, Hartley is giving minutes to whoever is capable of barely filling them. Doesn't matter that they wouldn't get a sniff of those minutes on a different team, someone has to play them and it's going to be the guy that is the least embarrassing out there that's going to do it.
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I'd love to see Iginla and a first go to Boston for Bergeron. I think we'd ALL love to see that.
Count me out. I'm not a keep the 1st at all cost type person, but definitely wouldn't want to see it moved for 1 season of Bergeron. Doubt he signs long term in Calgary.
Stajan has taken the vast majority of faceoffs for the flames this season, 335. The next closes is Iginla at 190 and tanguay after that at 149. Of those 335, 63 have been shorthanded, the next closest is tanguay with 14 draws. He's sitting at 49.6% on the draw in all situations. Steve Begin is 0 for 9 in the faceoff circle short handed, blake comeau 4 and 7.
An injury to Stajan this year could be mean a 15th place finish overall.
Forget Kipper, forget Iginla, forget Bouwmeester. Stajan is the Flames most important player.
Kudos for the most informative and most depressing FOI post I've read this season. A few years ago I stopped looking at faceoff stats because, well, you know. But wow.
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