Is The GM Going to Address the Center Situation?

[cznTiburon]

Just to continue the discussion on the idiocy of flames nation article, tj Brodie, one of our up and coming solid young players only scored at a .64 ppg, so based on this article we should expect culkin and Wotherspoon to be better than Brodie.... Would be awesome if that happened but what a stupid article

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And they exited the 2012 draft with precisely the number of picks they had by default, with one selection in each of the draft's seven rounds. So your conclusion is not provable at this point in time.

Considering that not even in your rebuttal can you find an instance of the flames making a concerted effort to acquire and use more than the minimum amount of draft picks, which is what my point is, I'd say my conclusion is provable at this point.

25 years of treating the draft as an afterthought has obviously contributed to the lack of quality players at key positions and the sustained ineptitude of the franchise.

Ergo, making a concerted effort to acquire and utilize larger than average amounts of draft picks may yield positive results. Decisions such as acquiring more 2nd round picks rather than trading them for KHL goaltenders.

When was the last time the Flames had more than one pick in the first round? Honest question, I have no idea. Multiple picks in the second round?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When was the last time the Flames had more than one pick in the first round? Honest question, I have no idea. Multiple picks in the second round?

Calgary has never drafted twice in the first round. The last time they had multiple second round picks was 2011 (Granlund and Wotherspoon).

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by devo22

Calgary has never drafted twice in the first round. The last time they had multiple second round picks was 2011 (Granlund and Wotherspoon).

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

Only click the link if you feel like getting depressed about this teams past

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Three years into feasters tenure and the Flames have gone into both drafts he's been a part of with less picks than they had by default.

I don't really have to look much deeper than that.

Edit: Just looking at this again, I don't know how it could be a coincidence over 25 years. The flames haven't once taken a legitimate approach to drafting players. Look where it's gotten them.

Actually, Feaster has been quite explicit that he prefers mature prospects to picks, as they're closer to being NHL ready. He said exactly that in an interview a year or two ago.

Which only highlights this franchise's abiding weakness: impatience. A bird in hand is always preferable to one in the bush. Problem is, you very rarely bring any top-flight young talent into the organization with that approach, because the best young players so rarely get moved.

[dammage79]

Anything before the Phaneuf draft was so bad. Have to go back to the early eighties to see anything resembling a team built through the draft.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by devo22

Calgary has never drafted twice in the first round. The last time they had multiple second round picks was 2011 (Granlund and Wotherspoon).

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

If the flames had not been put into the position in 2011 to trade Erixon for 2nd rounders, they would have gone almost a decade without a 2nd round pick.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by devo22

Calgary has never drafted twice in the first round. The last time they had multiple second round picks was 2011 (Granlund and Wotherspoon).

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

I don't think we need to review this, but the only reason this even happened was because of some unforeseen circumstances.

But prior to this was 2000 - Stoll and Foster for 2nd round picks.

And we've never in our Franchise history (1980+) drafted 2 players in the first round. That is astounding.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Considering that not even in your rebuttal can you find an instance of the flames making a concerted effort to acquire and use more than the minimum amount of draft picks, which is what my point is, I'd say my conclusion is provable at this point.

25 years of treating the draft as an afterthought has obviously contributed to the lack of quality players at key positions and the sustained ineptitude of the franchise.

Ergo, making a concerted effort to acquire and utilize larger than average amounts of draft picks may yield positive results. Decisions such as acquiring more 2nd round picks rather than trading them for KHL goaltenders.

When was the last time the Flames had more than one pick in the first round? Honest question, I have no idea. Multiple picks in the second round?

But don't you get it - if you trade away a second round pick you can make another trade to get a second back. So you haven't really lost anything.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If the flames had not been put into the position in 2011 to trade Erixon for 2nd rounders, they would have gone almost a decade without a 2nd round pick.

they took Wahl in 2008.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Considering that not even in your rebuttal can you find an instance of the flames making a concerted effort to acquire and use more than the minimum amount of draft picks, which is what my point is, I'd say my conclusion is provable at this point.

Except, not. It is foolish to use a sample size of two to make a judgment. I'm not saying that you're wrong, only that it is too soon to call. Since Feaster has been GM, he's moved 13 draft picks (six in, seven out). On the net, we've acquired one more second rounder than we've given up, and given up two more fifth rounders than we've acquired. We are currently without a second or fifth round pick in 2013, but have an extra seventh rounder. We'll see if Feaster moves to acquire picks like he did heading into the 2012 draft.

25 years of treating the draft as an afterthought has obviously contributed to the lack of quality players at key positions and the sustained ineptitude of the franchise.

Ergo, making a concerted effort to acquire and utilize larger than average amounts of draft picks may yield positive results. Decisions such as acquiring more 2nd round picks rather than trading them for KHL goaltenders.

Well, so far Feaster has acquired one additional second rounder in his tenure. Also, until we know what Ramo does as a Flame, it is impossible to judge if the swap of picks in that trade was worthwhile.

When was the last time the Flames had more than one pick in the first round? Honest question, I have no idea. Multiple picks in the second round?

We've never had multiple first rounders. We last had multiple picks in the second round in 2011. #45 (Granlund) and #57 (Wotherspoon). That was the ninth time since 1980 that the franchise had multiple second rounders.

[868904]

I didn't even bother reading the FN article but from what we have seen and heard of the prospects, it hasn't been as good a year as last.

Sven - well we all know the struggles he's had this year. Maybe we were expecting too much of him?

Gaudreau - had a great WJC and solidified his spot as a top NHL prospect, but even he has had some struggles this year, especially of late. Maybe he's getting bored?

Jankowski - I think most expected the production he has so far. He's a long term project. It'd be nice if he started to produce more in the last half of his season ala Gaudreau. At this point, Jankowski is still a question mark.

Wotherspoon and Gillies - are probably the two guys who have shown the greatest improvement in their stock. Wotherspoon looks like a legit top prospect along the Scott Harrington mode. I'd argue if he was with any other team, he'd be getting more press and play but since he's a Flames prospect, he's ignored. What can you say about Gillies, the numbers speak for themselves.

Granlund - Numbers wise, his production has dropped, but that was to be expected with his brother moving along. I'm more encouraged by his WJC performance and the fact that he is now playing centre. Flames need to get him over to the AHL to see if he's a legit prospect.

Culkin and Kulak - Tough to gauge looking purely at stats. Brodie didn't really open eyes until his second training camp. Their numbers are generally on par with Brodie. I have watched Kulak a few times and I don't think he's a great prospect. He has size and average skating, but I don't think he's particularly good defensively and lacks hockey sense. Culkin was getting rave reviews early in the year, but his whole team has struggled.

Arnold - I think is a legit NHL prospect. He's not going to be a big scorer and will probably be a solid 3rd liner who puts up 15 goals/30 points consistently while being solid in his own end. The type of guy who could spend another year at BC and might be able to step into the NHL.

I think the prospects are doing okay this year but compared to last it looks bad because last year we had a lot of big numbers from guys like Sven, Johnny, Reinhart, Ferland, Granlund, etc. 3 of those guys turned pro (Ferland went back though) so it's reasonable to expect their numbers to drop.

At this point last year, I thought Sven was ready to jump in to the NHL and produce regularly and challenge for a Calder and I also thought Reinhart and Ferland would be good contributors in the AHL. Maybe I'll have to temper my expectations and be surprised next year.

[dammage79]

The most picks in any round according to the flames website is four fifth round picks.

[CaramonLS]

The Atlanta Flames drafted David Shand and Harold Phillipoff in the first round during the 1976 entry draft.

[cznTiburon]

Just realized we lack a second rounder again this year too

[devo22]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Just realized we lack a second rounder again this year too

yeah, that was the one we sent to Montreal in the Cammalleri trade.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Ergo, making a concerted effort to acquire and utilize larger than average amounts of draft picks may yield positive results. Decisions such as acquiring more 2nd round picks rather than trading them for KHL goaltenders.

yeah....trading a 2nd rd pick for a euro G never ever works out.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And they exited the 2012 draft with precisely the number of picks they had by default, with one selection in each of the draft's seven rounds. So your conclusion is not provable at this point in time.

And let's ignore the fact that they did so by trading a more valuable pick into two less valuable ones. The net value of their total picks was the same before and after that trade so it wasn't any overall benefit to the Flames.

[blankall]

Thought this might be helpful to the discussion. A list of all Calgary Flames draft picks and the number of games they've played:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es_draft_picks

[JayP]

Originally Posted by transplant99

yeah....trading a 2nd rd pick for a euro G never ever works out.

I guess we better immediately trade Iginla for whatever prospect we can get because that sort of move gave us a hall of fame player once.