02-23-2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
Yeah, I think the goal scoring is a problem with Flames. I don't care what the stats say, if you check the games, you know they are horrible at it, not saying "Screw the stats", because ye that's the only way to look at it of course but the " timed " goals aren't just there. Don't know how to say it better, but I hope you catch my drift!
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02-23-2013, 01:38 PM
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If you don't get my point, I think you're the idiot here, but thanks for your contribution.
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02-23-2013, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
If you don't get my point, I think you're the idiot here, but thanks for your contribution.
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If I may...
I agree with what you're saying.
We'd call it 'Timely Scoring' and the Flames are hit and miss in that category.
The Flames score a lot of goals on backup goalies and when trailing by 2 or more, inflating their goals for statistic.
When it counts though, the flames have an incredibly difficult time putting pucks in the net.
Where's opendoor when you need him? I should make some kind of bat signal for that guy.
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02-23-2013, 01:46 PM
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ye, that's my point, the stats are so misleading.
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02-23-2013, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
If you don't get my point, I think you're the idiot here, but thanks for your contribution.
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I get your point. It's like a goalie can have decent stats, but if they are prone to letting in early goals or caving when the pressure is on, then it's a problem.
I do humbly disagree with your point though. I think any recent scoring woes have more to do with lack of confidence in the goaltending and the fact that they are playing more than half of the games trying to comeback. It's always more difficult to score on a team that is protecting a lead.
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02-23-2013, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
If you don't get my point, I think you're the idiot here, but thanks for your contribution.
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Relax. I get your point just fine. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that goal scoring is a bit of a problem, but there's no need to "throw out the stats" as they are in the bottom half of the conference is GF. But the main problem is goaltending/defence, as they are dead last in the conference for GA. Kipper was hot garbage before going down and Irving, Taylor, MacDonald, have not given us reliable goaltending when called upon. A lot if that is poor back checking and D-zone coverage so you can't put all them blame on the goalies. It seems this team can never have a balance. They have to sacrifice D for O or vice versa.
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02-23-2013, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Relax. I get your point just fine. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that goal scoring is a bit of a problem, but there's no need to "throw out the stats" as they are in the bottom half of the conference is GF. But the main problem is goaltending/defence, as they are dead last in the conference for GA. Kipper was hot garbage before going down and Irving, Taylor, MacDonald, have not given us reliable goaltending when called upon. A lot if that is poor back checking and D-zone coverage so you can't put all them blame on the goalies. It seems this team can never have a balance. They have to sacrifice D for O or vice versa.
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Always the hallmark of a crappy team.
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02-23-2013, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vilzeh
ye, that's my point, the stats are so misleading.
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The thing is that the stats say that the Flames are at best a middling offensive team. They are not good and they are not bad. Anyone who thinks that 15th in the NHL is good when the Flames supposedly brought in an offensive coach that would increase offense above and beyond the 20th in the league position they have averaged over the past 3 years should get their head examined.
The Flames averaged 2.61 GPG under Sutter and his boring style of hockey over 3 years, this year they are averaging a much more prolific 2.67 GPG. But you are right, they have a serious problem as a general rule scoring timely goals. But even the numbers are virtually the exact same as they have always been, the offense is the same, but the team now gives up 3.40 GAA as opposed to the 2.64 GAA they had in the previous 3 seasons. Fact is the Flames do not have the horses to play up tempo offensive hockey, the fact that the GPG are pretty much the exact same as they were under Sutter is evidence of this, but an up tempo game leads to more scoring chances against so naturally the GAA will increase.
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02-23-2013, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flash Walken
If I may...
I agree with what you're saying.
We'd call it 'Timely Scoring' and the Flames are hit and miss in that category.
The Flames score a lot of goals on backup goalies and when trailing by 2 or more, inflating their goals for statistic.
When it counts though, the flames have an incredibly difficult time putting pucks in the net.
Where's opendoor when you need him? I should make some kind of bat signal for that guy.
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They have the talent to score when the space is given to them in open games, but their ability to make space for themselves in tougher games is questionable.
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02-26-2013, 05:58 PM
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FWIW Mark Spector on sportsnet pregame show for the Flames/Wild game said that Ramo is coming to Calgary after the current playoff series Omsk is in is over (currently tied 2-2)...
Said it with some authority as if it was a done deal.
He also tweeted that Ramo would not have to go through waivers
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02-26-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Mark Spector on sportsnet pregame show for the Flames/Wild game said that Ramo is coming to Calgary after the current playoff series Omsk is in is over...
Said it with some authority as if it was a done deal.
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That would be wild, but I don't trust Spector further than I can throw him, and I am very weak.
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02-26-2013, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
FWIW Mark Spector on sportsnet pregame show for the Flames/Wild game said that Ramo is coming to Calgary after the current playoff series Omsk is in is over (currently tied 2-2)...
Said it with some authority as if it was a done deal.
He also tweeted that Ramo would not have to go through waivers
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Regardless of the outcome of this series?
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02-26-2013, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyBeers
The thing is that the stats say that the Flames are at best a middling offensive team. They are not good and they are not bad. Anyone who thinks that 15th in the NHL is good when the Flames supposedly brought in an offensive coach that would increase offense above and beyond the 20th in the league position they have averaged over the past 3 years should get their head examined.
The Flames averaged 2.61 GPG under Sutter and his boring style of hockey over 3 years, this year they are averaging a much more prolific 2.67 GPG. But you are right, they have a serious problem as a general rule scoring timely goals. But even the numbers are virtually the exact same as they have always been, the offense is the same, but the team now gives up 3.40 GAA as opposed to the 2.64 GAA they had in the previous 3 seasons. Fact is the Flames do not have the horses to play up tempo offensive hockey, the fact that the GPG are pretty much the exact same as they were under Sutter is evidence of this, but an up tempo game leads to more scoring chances against so naturally the GAA will increase.
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Hmmm, I must have combed over this post, but i'm glad they put 5 on Smith the other night and forced you to pipe it for a couple days.
They are now 12th in G/G.
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02-26-2013, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
Regardless of the outcome of this series?
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I'm wondering the same thing. That makes no sense at all.
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02-26-2013, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Trailer Fire
That would be wild, but I don't trust Spector further than I can throw him, and I am very weak.
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I am pretty sure Feaster said that Ramo could not come over until the summer. Could be wrong.
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02-26-2013, 07:48 PM
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Barring any further moves to free up some space, this would also put the Flames at 50 contracts.
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02-26-2013, 08:54 PM
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If and when Ramo does come to NA wonder what happens with the goalie situation. The way MacDonald is playing I don't think you trade him. Solid backup with a low cap hit for this season. Could probably sign him for cheap next year.
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02-26-2013, 10:18 PM
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unless they trade kipper this year and next year ramo can be starting and back up is macdonald
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03-02-2013, 01:14 PM
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Mark Spector Sports @SportsnetSpec
Flames property G Karri Ramo ineligible to play in NHL until KHL contract expires Apr. 30 - regardless of Omsk's elimination.
Bumped because it is pretty much the exact opposite of what he tweeted a week ago.
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03-02-2013, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Mark Spector Sports @SportsnetSpec
Flames property G Karri Ramo ineligible to play in NHL until KHL contract expires Apr. 30 - regardless of Omsk's elimination.
Bumped because it is pretty much the exact opposite of what he tweeted a week ago.
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Thats what Feaster said weeks ago. He said they would not be able to bring him over until the summer. I presume they could try and buy his way to Canada sooner but i doubt it's worth it.
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