Hartley Fired Up About our Goalies Getting Destroyed

[Heavy Jack]

I would just tell Wideman to start firing low blasts even if his lane is blocked.

[Phanuthier]

Easiest team to play again in the league... really sucks.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Easiest team to play again in the league... really sucks.

We just really can't seem to strike that balance eh? Too much grit not enough talent or too little grit too many smaller talented players.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Too bad his team couldn't care less, even after our Franchise player was injured the same way.

Our pp unit should have been Jackman-Aliu-Begin after that Zuker penalty.

Your 2013 Calgary FLAAAMESSSSSSSS!


"That’s something I hope the (National Hockey League) is going to be looking at," Hartley said shortly after his team — powered by MacDonald’s netminding and Matt Stajan’s two goals — dumped the Minnesota Wild 3-1 on Saturday night. "Not from a standpoint of (only) Joey MacDonald ... but for goalies, the blue paint is almost like toll booths right now. Players come in and they just drive those nets. There’s already been a few goalies getting injured because of contact. (First-string Calgary goalie Miikka Kiprusoff) is one of them. So I think that has to stop. Maybe a two-minute penalty is just not enough." Wednesday, it had been Trevor Lewis, of the Los Angeles Kings, who thumped MacDonald back into his net — basically straight on. Saturday, it was Jason Zucker, who, taking a shortcut through MacDonald’s crease, had knocked out the right leg of the netminder.

I hope he's bitching to Feaster as much as he is to the media, Feaster in much better position to do something about this instead of media and the fans.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

We just really can't seem to strike that balance eh? Too much grit not enough talent or too little grit too many smaller talented players.

Too many one dimensional players - either skilled or gritty but not a combo of both. Bad recipe for success.

[1Nite]

One of the early games this season, think it was Vancouver, Kiprusoff was run, of all people Butler stood up and gave a shove to the player, somehow he ends up with the only penalty. This is on the NHL and it's officiating incompetence much more than the Flames being too soft, and not just this year but the past few.

[killer_carlson]

Some has yet to convince me that Tim Jackman has a role on this team this season and last.

He certainly is no the physical rsponse when our team is being pushed around, and he adds very little otherwise.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

At that moment in the game retaliation would have been dumb. The two points were a bigger priority

Like 5 minutes later Wideman took a stupid penalty, anyway, ruining the PP. It would have been better spent tackling the schmuck that ran the goalie.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Some has yet to convince me that Tim Jackman has a role on this team this season and last.

He certainly is no the physical rsponse when our team is being pushed around, and he adds very little otherwise.

Jackman probably didn't like getting whacked in the head too much and decided he really didn't need to with the security of a 2 year contract.

You can't give players like that more than 1 year.

[killer_carlson]

Jackman should see the press box for a few weeks, or the waiver wire.

[Locke]

Hartley calling on the league to do something? Oh yeah, that'll work.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

This is on the NHL and it's officiating incompetence much more than the Flames being too soft, and not just this year but the past few.

Reffing has had some real low points this season. Last night was HIDEOUSLY officiated game. Hopefully they get it back on the rails, but I don't have too much faith. I remember during one of the 24/7 episodes a guy took a solid shot after running the goalie. The ref explained to him that because he ran the goalie, the other guy gets a free shot then he escorted him to the penalty box. This is exactly how this type of situation should be handled, and it provides a sound deterrence. If this is not the standard call by the ref, why not just torpedo ram the goalie once in a while just to keep everyone on their toes?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Like 5 minutes later Wideman took a stupid penalty, anyway, ruining the PP. It would have been better spent tackling the schmuck that ran the goalie.

Separate events though. You present it as an either/or choice. Simply put, don't take either, right?

[killer_carlson]

The lackof any meaningful response to goalie contact has been a problem for a few seasons. I still remember Booth absolutely hammering Kipper in a blow out game, and shortly thereafter there was a scrum a few minutes later with the refs tied up, and Booth and Jackman together seperately. Jackman elected not to hold Booth accountable and has rendered himself usaeless to this team ever since.

It is no surprise whatsoever that opponents believe they can cut through the crease or make contact and see if the refs will make the call or not. It isnt like anyone is going to respond physically or reciprocate against their oalie out there.

Our role players, forwards and defence, are ignoring this aspect of the game and it is costing our team.

The only thing that surprises me is that our coach is whining to the refs rather than challenging his roster to respond.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Separate events though. You present it as an either/or choice. Simply put, don't take either, right?

4 on 4 would not have been a bad thing either.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

The lackof any meaningful response to goalie contact has been a problem for a few seasons. I still remember Booth absolutely hammering Kipper in a blow out game, and shortly thereafter there was a scrum a few minutes later with the refs tied up, and Booth and Jackman together seperately. Jackman elected not to hold Booth accountable and has rendered himself usaeless to this team ever since.

It is no surprise whatsoever that opponents believe they can cut through the crease or make contact and see if the refs will make the call or not. It isnt like anyone is going to respond physically or reciprocate against their oalie out there.

Our role players, forwards and defence, are ignoring this aspect of the game and it is costing our team.

The only thing that surprises me is that our coach is whining to the refs rather than challenging his roster to respond.

Can you give some actual examples of a team jumping the guy who hit the goalie and what it accomplished? I understand the need to stand up but with the new rule changes usually the guy giving the facewash gets the penalty, not the guy who hits the goalie. Complaining about how soft the team is etc., is garbage as every goalie gets run over at least once per game and very seldom is there a respone of any consequence.

[killer_carlson]

Yes.

When anyone looked sideways at Quick last half and playoffs last season, they got a beating. Then thir own agoalie met King, Richards, Lewis, Fraser, Brown or Penner.

LA won the stanley cup and made sure their best player wasa allowed the space to play.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Yes.

When anyone looked sideways at Quick last half and playoffs last season, they got a beating. Then thir own agoalie met King, Richards, Lewis, Fraser, Brown or Penner.

LA won the stanley cup and made sure their best player wasa allowed the space to play.

Sorry, can't find any actual examples on Kings website or Youtube of this happening, can you point out where it actually happened, or is it something you wished they had done. The days of people actually paying for running a goalie are long gone. It used to happen in the early years but since the implementation of the instigator rule you may get a face wash, which does nothing

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

No, but a good coach will probe for weaknesses and exploit them. I really think you're out to lunch if you don't think Tippet is not telling his guys to go to the net hard during the game.

It will probably start with parking someone right in front of the net on the PP tonight and seeing if they get even so much as a bump - this wouldn't be that new however, as evidenced by our 28th ranked PK unit.

The out to lunch comment is a bit insulting, but I suppose the same thing could be said if you think coaches aren't telling their players to go to the net hard every night regardless of who they are playing.

Every game in the league has multiple incidents of goaltender contact.

Just because Pittsburgh and Philly will line brawl afterwards doesn't act as any more of a deterrent than the Flames skating away.

The days of intimidation are long gone in the NHL.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Too many one dimensional players - either skilled or gritty but not a combo of both. Bad recipe for success.

At the same time, finding the Backes, Lucic and Brown's of the league isn't that easy.