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JiriHrdina · 02-24-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I have a hard time believing the Bruins or the Rangers or the Preds would just skate away after someone bowls over their goalie leaving him lying inside the net.

Well maybe the Canucks since they are used to Luongo pretending he is injured.

But this is the problem with our team. We are too easy to play against.

I agree but this is a poor example. The win mattered too much to risk it

Enoch Root · 02-24-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why? A glove to the face is nothing.

It's not the glove to the face that matters. It's a complete lack of a responce that matters. Without one, every team in the league sees that and it will continue

JiriHrdina · 02-24-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not the glove to the face that matters. It's a complete lack of a responce that matters. Without one, every team in the league sees that and it will continue

And a glove to the face would cause other teams to change their approach?

TurnedTheCorner · 02-24-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not the glove to the face that matters. It's a complete lack of a responce that matters. Without one, every team in the league sees that and it will continue

I guarantee that at least 15 teams in the league will not continue to run Flames goalies this season.

CaramonLS · 02-24-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

So a little glove to the face is really going to make a guy think twice about running the goalie?

Better than guys just standing around with a thumbs up their asses. There is a large number of guys crashing the Flames crease this year, in part because of the lack of response from the crew.

If these guys had taken care of business against Franzen, less of a chance these two incidents against our tender even happen.

Good coaches are pointing this out to their team during the game prep and the opponents are going to be a little more reckless in the crease because of it.

memphusk · 02-24-2013, 10:54 AM

I can't believe some people would choose not to stand up for there teammates. Calling it selfish because of the score or because a penalty had been called. You gain respect by earning it. Slap the #### out of Lewis, or Zucker, and force them to respect the fact it won't be tolerated. Team needs a Ryan Clowe, or Chris Neil.

Bertuzzied · 02-24-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And a glove to the face would cause other teams to change their approach?

Ok how about skating by their bench and yelling to Yeo that "IF our goalie gets touched again we are sending Backstrom to the hospital"

Will we get a penalty for that? also at worst it would have been 4 on 4 hockey.

EVERLAST · 02-24-2013, 10:56 AM

really surprised to see^^^^^^someone finally acknowledge this is how we lost Kipper FFS

Hope were going to see him back soon....and yeah some one needs to stand up for the goalies...too bad it wont be Aliu tonight

Bertuzzied · 02-24-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Better than guys just standing around with a thumbs up their asses. There is a large number of guys crashing the Flames crease this year, in part because of the lack of response from the crew.

If these guys had taken care of business against Franzen, less of a chance these two incidents against our tender even happen.

Good coaches are pointing this out to their team during the game prep and the opponents are going to be a little more reckless in the crease because of it.

Yeah come to think of it, we did nothing to Detroit that game even though we had a whole 20 minutes after the fact.

Poe969 · 02-24-2013, 10:57 AM

I don't think our goalie will get touched tonight..... I'm more worried about Doan hitting guys from behind or just using his elbow all night.

Sakari · 02-24-2013, 10:57 AM

I think goaltender interference penalties should be handled with the likes of boarding and hits to the head and hitting from behind. It really is an issue and I think we'd be looking a whole lot better if Kipper hadn't been injured.

JiriHrdina · 02-24-2013, 10:58 AM

I just don't see any of that stuff mattering.

Look I don't disagree in the least that this team is not tough enough - but in this specific situation the handled it appropriately. You have to be smart out there and pick your spots. In this case the Flames had a 2-1 lead with time winding down, at worst a PP would be valuable to help kill clock (until the Flames penalty was called). It was the right move to preserve a key 2 points.

That doesn't mean that in other cases this season the lack of response has been a concern. But in this specific situation, it was handled appropriately.

Skating by the bench and yelling at them? Come on. This is the NHL - you either respond with a true physical message or you don't. This other stuff is just as useless as anything else.

kyuss275 · 02-24-2013, 10:59 AM

I don't care that they did not retaliate last night considering 2 points was on the line.

That said they play the Wild on Tuesday, and they better drop the gloves and punnish the guy that knocked over Mac early in the game.

CaramonLS · 02-24-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I just don't see any of that stuff mattering.

Skating by the bench and yelling at them? Come on. This is the NHL - you either respond with a true physical message or you don't. This other stuff is just as useless as anything else.

Jiri, I know that you recognize the value of perception.

When Dave Tippet is reviewing the game film from DET, LA and MIN, he probably passes over those goaltender incidents if the Flames had at least generated a scrum after the whistle. Now Tippet sees a group of dejected looking guys not even bothering to make eye contact with these goalie runners wondering if someone else is going to step up and answer the bell.

If you're a coach coaching against the Flames, you tell you guys to drive the net hard because nothing is going to happen. What is the worst that is going to happen to a Phoenix player?

Maybe now the Flames "escalate" their response to a couple of words?

Goodlad · 02-24-2013, 11:08 AM

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Completely agreed. If it had been a different situation I would have liked to see one of Aliu/Jackman on the ice for the powerplay and just wait in front of the penalty box tapping on the glass every so often.

I love that mental picture.

JiriHrdina · 02-24-2013, 11:09 AM

Well in that sense I think there is ample evidence that teams have that the Flames are not tough. I don't think other coaches are so unsophisticated that they will base their assessment of the Flames on one or two incidents. The Flames are probably well known as a not tough team on the basis of a much larger body of work - and what happened in this case wouldn't change that. So again - preserving the win takes priority.

The issue of toughness needs to be addressed, but even if the Flames WERE tough they shouldn't respond in this specific case.

It's all about picking your spots.

Enoch Root · 02-24-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't think our goalie will get touched tonight..... I'm more worried about Doan hitting guys from behind or just using his elbow all night.

I think it's almost a given that the goalie gets run tonight - and every single game from now on until the Flames do something about it

keenan87 · 02-24-2013, 11:17 AM

I would have taken a 4-4 over a power play in that situation.

You just DO NOT let your goalie get run over like that without doing anything about it (in Wideman's case, he backed away from the guy).

If I am MacDonald and I see my team isn't doing anything, I would just tell them to eff off after the win. Two games in a row and both times no one does anything for him, he must totally feel like a part of the team.

Like I said in the PGT, if this was Kipper, would we have seen a different reaction from the Flames? Also, is this whole penalty thing an excuse because I am sure that this would not be happening when we had Regehr, Phaneuf, Warrener and when Sarich was a big part of the team.

CaramonLS · 02-24-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Well in that sense I think there is ample evidence that teams have that the Flames are not tough. I don't think other coaches are so unsophisticated that they will base their assessment of the Flames on one or two incidents. The Flames are probably well known as a not tough team on the basis of a much larger body of work - and what happened in this case wouldn't change that. So again - preserving the win takes priority.

No, but a good coach will probe for weaknesses and exploit them. I really think you're out to lunch if you don't think Tippet is not telling his guys to go to the net hard during the game.

It will probably start with parking someone right in front of the net on the PP tonight and seeing if they get even so much as a bump - this wouldn't be that new however, as evidenced by our 28th ranked PK unit.

Zulu29 · 02-24-2013, 11:24 AM

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And a glove to the face would cause other teams to change their approach?

To an extent yeah it does. Getting a glove shoved in your face doesn't feel good, in fact it can hurt if you get a good smack to the nose, or your eye scraped. Will it stop people running your goalie? Maybe, maybe not, but I can guarantee that I'd rather run a goalie and not receive a face wash that the other way around.