Addition by Removal

[cubistcastle]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I think it's time the C comes off Iginla for awhile, it will light a major 5 alarm fire under his ass

Iginla is setting up some nice goals but that's not his role, he needs to score, and he and he alone needs to carry this team or we're going nowhere. He needs to re-earn that C and re-earn it with his play, the way he earned it the first time.

This may be his last shot to take this team to the playoffs, because I don't see him re-signing if we don't make it

Yeah let's take the C away from the franchise player who has stuck with this team for his entire career and is one of the most respected players in the NHL. Let's just blatantly insult him - that should fix it. Disgusting.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by cubistcastle

Yeah let's take the C away from the franchise player who has stuck with this team for his entire career and is one of the most respected players in the NHL. Let's just blatantly insult him - that should fix it. Disgusting.

Insult him? Marleau had his C ripped off of him and he turned his career around. Did he have a fit about how insulted he was? No. Marleau was and is San Jose's franchise player. Iginla is the leader, he needs to lead by example and right now, this moment in time, he isn't. Suggest some other "disgusting" idea to fix the issue.

I said pull it off him for awhile, light a major fire under his ass and see where it goes. He needs to lead the team to the playoffs, not be part of the supporting cast. That's the captains job, no? I'm not questioning his leadership, he's one of the best leaders ever, but he needs to PLAY the way he earned the C more often than not. He needs to be our best player on the ice.

The idea of taking the C off him is meant to be motivation, to take some pressure off him, not spit in his face.

Side note, I wasn't suggesting we just turn around and give Cammalleri the C, I was simply saying out of everyone on this roster, he deserves it the most other than Iginla.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Insult him? Marleau had his C ripped off of him and he turned his career around. Did he have a fit about how insulted he was? No. Marleau was and is San Jose's franchise player. Iginla is the leader, he needs to lead by example and right now, this moment in time, he isn't. Suggest some other "disgusting" idea to fix the issue.

I said pull it off him for awhile, light a major fire under his ass and see where it goes. He needs to lead the team to the playoffs, not be part of the supporting cast. That's the captains job, no? I'm not questioning his leadership, he's one of the best leaders ever, but he needs to PLAY the way he earned the C more often than not. He needs to be our best player on the ice.

The idea of taking the C off him is meant to be motivation, to take some pressure off him, not spit in his face.

Side note, I wasn't suggesting we just turn around and give Cammalleri the C, I was simply saying out of everyone on this roster, he deserves it the most other than Iginla.

Pulling the C off of Iginla is maybe the dumbest suggestion I've heard in a while. Not because Iginla is so great and wonderful right now, but because it would accomplish nothing, but as other posters suggested, insult Iginla. But you'd see the same lack lustre results on the ice, nothing would change. This team is in need of new direction, new on ice leadership for sure, this group, that includes Iginla and his captaincy are well past their expiration date. Maybe with another cast, Iginla would once again be a great captain, but for this team it really makes no difference.

Which is why removing the captaincy does nothing. It would be like trying to fix a broken leg by putting a band aid on it, only the band aid in this case also gives the leg gangrene. Taking the C away from Iggy on this roster would dole out nothing but public humiliation for a 35 year old veteran and is nothing like the Marleau situation:

1. Marleau is a good player, but he is not Iginla caliber, mot the same thing
2. This would be occurring much later in Iginla's tenure and career than Marleau
3. There are no other viable replacements on the team. Cammy suggestion is hilarious given he seems to be just as much past expiry than Iggy is. If we had a young up and comer worthy of the honor, maybe moving it to that player makes sense, but to move it to another under performing veteran is nothing but a slap in the face.
4. It would have no effect in the room given the above. With no letter, Iggy would be still seen as the leader of this club and nothing would change except maybe resentment from the players towards the coaches and management.

A leadership change is likely needed in Calgary, but that won't and shouldn't come from the demotion of one leader for the promotion of a not ideal candidate. When a CEO of a company is fired, very rarely do they stay on in an alternate role. Instead they move out and go in a different direction. That is what is needed in Calgary, not some gimmicky change of captaincy that insults maybe the best player in franchise history.

[dammage79]

This is only my opinion but the only way I see Iginla not being Captain of the Flames is one of two ways, retirement or being traded/signing to another team. Personally this teams leadership has become stagnant over the last three seasons but it has more to do with endless repetition rather than a lack of leadership from Iginla. The whole scenario is old and stale, from the same questions asked over and over......and over from the media. Being the face of a franchise for so long with more losing than winning will take its toll as well. That's just my take though.

Add to the mess this roster is right now and it isn't getting much better.

But what I really came to post here was that I like the addition of Aliu to the line up. Aggressive youth paired with some fairly decent hands and good size should help the team more than hinder it. Adding more and more youth wont hurt at all given the current state of affairs. What I do not like is the underlying costs of bringing up Aliu.

Whether or not they are top six or bottom six guys to me is irrelevant, but the fact that they sent down two natural centers only to leave one left up on the big club is dumbfounding to me. I was against having Cammy or Tanguay playing out of position before the season started and am still against it.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Pulling the C off of Iginla is maybe the dumbest suggestion I've heard in a while. Not because Iginla is so great and wonderful right now, but because it would accomplish nothing, but as other posters suggested, insult Iginla. But you'd see the same lack lustre results on the ice, nothing would change. This team is in need of new direction, new on ice leadership for sure, this group, that includes Iginla and his captaincy are well past their expiration date. Maybe with another cast, Iginla would once again be a great captain, but for this team it really makes no difference.

Which is why removing the captaincy does nothing. It would be like trying to fix a broken leg by putting a band aid on it, only the band aid in this case also gives the leg gangrene. Taking the C away from Iggy on this roster would dole out nothing but public humiliation for a 35 year old veteran and is nothing like the Marleau situation:

1. Marleau is a good player, but he is not Iginla caliber, mot the same thing
2. This would be occurring much later in Iginla's tenure and career than Marleau
3. There are no other viable replacements on the team. Cammy suggestion is hilarious given he seems to be just as much past expiry than Iggy is. If we had a young up and comer worthy of the honor, maybe moving it to that player makes sense, but to move it to another under performing veteran is nothing but a slap in the face.
4. It would have no effect in the room given the above. With no letter, Iggy would be still seen as the leader of this club and nothing would change except maybe resentment from the players towards the coaches and management.

A leadership change is likely needed in Calgary, but that won't and shouldn't come from the demotion of one leader for the promotion of a not ideal candidate. When a CEO of a company is fired, very rarely do they stay on in an alternate role. Instead they move out and go in a different direction. That is what is needed in Calgary, not some gimmicky change of captaincy that insults maybe the best player in franchise history.

3) I never once suggested to take the C off of Iginla and give it to Cammy, hell, I never even said that we would give to C to anyone after stripping Iginla. I stated Cammy is most deserving out of everyone but Iginla, not that I feel we should drop what we are doing and promote him. Is that clear yet?

4) You don't think for even a second it would light a fire under his ass? He is one of the most passionate guys out there, he would bust his ass off harder than ever if he lost it. I said "Maybe we should take the C off Iginla for awhile" not permanently. Again, motivation to carry this team on his shoulders and his shoulders alone. A fired up Iginla leads to a fired up team.

Marleau was 30 when he lost the C, he didn't become all droopy and embarrassed, he went out and more than doubled his goal scoring. You don't think 35 year old Iginla won't take as much pride in it as Marleau did and do the same, but better? You said it yourself, Marleau isn't Iginla caliber

Iginla is more than capable to put up 30-40+ goals a year, he needs a spark to get going.

But whatever, say what you guys want. My motive to suggest the C coming off Iginla was not to embarrass and humiliate the guy, but to help the team and help his last few years of his career if he decides to leave.

Any better ideas?

[Flamefan1]

Smith has played better, but not Sarich or Babchuk.

[Jason14h]

Iginla is more than capable to put up 30-40+ goals a year, he needs a spark to get going.

Here is a list of the best season by a 35 year old

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

In NHL history, there have been 21 players to get over 30 goals in the season they were 35, and only 10 since 1980.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Here is a list of the best season by a 35 year old

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

In NHL history, there have been 21 players to get over 30 goals in the season they were 35, and only 10 since 1980.

Geoff Courtnall leaves some pretty big shoes to fill.

Trying to remember how many consecutive 30G seasons he strung together.