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The Original FFIV · 02-21-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Has feaster upgraded a single position since becoming general manager?

To be fair yes he has. Wideman and Hudler are upgrades at F and D and MacDonald is the best backup we've had. But he has downgraded C and toughness as a result.

Da_Chief · 02-21-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't know #### about #### about the heat but at this point I'm willing to bet I know more about the flames players and prospects than the coaches and management.

Akim Aliu?

He is not an NHL player. He is not a borderline NHL player. He is a borderline AHL player.

Sending down a bonafide NHLer for an AHL agitator?

Dumbdumbdumbdumbdumb.

They're all being checked by the new coach. More of Hartley probably asking to see these players.

Horak is the easiest to move up and down. Relax people. Aliu can be an NHLer, had the potential and is driven. Seems like a guy who'll be a better NHLer then an AHLer.

moon · 02-21-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Sure, but not enough to waste the effort acquiring him. We're talking about guys who will play 6-8 minutes a night on the nights they even get into the lineup. Let Aliu have his couple games, then go from there.

I would say the best choice is to probably have neither of them on the team but if you are going to bring Aliu for toughness then I would say yes it would be worth the effort to get McCormick.

I think what would make more sense is to bring up a guy like Bancks or leave Horak and talk to Jackman, Begin, Glencross, Gio and let them know that the toughness needs to be ramped up in their games.

Resolute 14 · 02-21-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERLAST

wow ...Feaster and Wisebroad seem like they haven't a clue ....these moves reak of complete desperation .....the message sent to Heat players now makes me wonder what the morale in Abbotsford will be like or is like....Troy Ward has a tough job

People whine and moan when guys don't get recalled from Abby.

People whine and moan when guys do get recalled from Abby.

Go figure.

Flash Walken · 02-21-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

To be fair yes he has. Wideman and Hudler are upgrades at F and D and MacDonald is the best backup we've had. But he has downgraded C and toughness as a result.

Are they really, though?

Are Hudler and cervenka upgrades on Moss and Jokinen? I don't think so.

Wideman's an upgrade on Hannan, I'll give you that.

moon · 02-21-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Seems like a guy who'll be a better NHLer then an AHLer.

Why do you think that?

He is a guy that has struggled when facing challenges on and off the ice, a guy that has been dealt and just released from multiple organizations and a guy that even when given a "last chance" by the Heat still seems to have trouble staying consistent at the AHL level.

Seems to me a guy that struggles to stay consistent at a lower level of hockey is going to have more trouble when facing tougher opponents and a much higher level of skill.

Da_Chief · 02-21-2013, 05:09 PM

Also if you think players like Horak/Jones/Aliu etc are game changers then you're out to lunch, problem is much bigger then that. This is all about Hartley wanting to see whats down there.

Flame Of Liberty · 02-21-2013, 05:09 PM

good thing we resigned Jackman for two-years and then brought in Begin to fill the energy roles...

Ashasx · 02-21-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyBeers

What would a CP thread be without one pious Flames fan coming on to let all the other fans know that hope springs eternal and things are not as bad as they seem. Saying that the Flames have a Rock Solid Plan is completely reasonable, that is what management told fans they had. It makes logical sense that calling up a guy is part of that rock solid plan.

FW has at least 300 posts on this forum that include the words "Rock Solid Plan" in an attempt to mock the franchise.

These are not posts that add anything to this discussion. They are awful posts.

All those threads have become, and this thread too, a bunch of posters patting each other on the back in anger. No value, nothing to be gained. No discussion.

"The Flames sure suck, eh!?"

EVERLAST · 02-21-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

People whine and moan when guys don't get recalled from Abby.

People whine and moan when guys do get recalled from Abby.

Go figure.

hey you know what?? I am NOT the only one saying this. Every sports outlet ive listened to or watched has said the same bloody thing for years about what Calgary does to its minor league affiliate there JOCKO so shut it if you dont wanna hear it from me ...pay some attention your self.

Its a message board and people post stuff in discussion ....you come on here constantly trying to one up everything and be right all the time....goddammit
it gets old

BTW ....most of the people are former players, GMS and coaches

Phanuthier · 02-21-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

People whine and moan when guys don't get recalled from Abby.

People whine and moan when guys do get recalled from Abby.

Go figure.

I could be wrong, but I think the concern is Horak is playing well and is getting demoted. Akim Aliu is a healthy scratch this year (?confirm?) and is getting promoted instead. And Horak is a prospects, Aliu is a tweener.

dammage79 · 02-21-2013, 05:12 PM

Lets just hope for all that is good and right in the universe that Stajan does not go down with an injury.

c.t.ner · 02-21-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

People whine and moan when guys don't get recalled from Abby.

People whine and moan when guys do get recalled from Abby.

Go figure.

Was going to say the same thing.

Lots of posters hated how we were all grit and no skill last year... well, now we have a team with all "skill" and barely any grit and now we want more grit.

Anyways, Horak will be back with the team... especially if a vast majority of the posters here get their wish and their is a fire sale.

Horak down there must mean Sven is ready and I've got no problem with Ali getting another shot for a couple of games. He played well at the end of last season and we might as well see if he's worth keeping once the seasons over.

Da_Chief · 02-21-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

Why do you think that?

He is a guy that has struggled when facing challenges on and off the ice, a guy that has been dealt and just released from multiple organizations and a guy that even when given a "last chance" by the Heat still seems to have trouble staying consistent at the AHL level.

Seems to me a guy that struggles to stay consistent at a lower level of hockey is going to have more trouble when facing tougher opponents and a much higher level of skill.

I liked what I saw from him in few games last year, he got hurt this year as well. consistency is always an issue with young players so he's no different.

Case of where at a lower level he's being asked to do more then he's capable of, bring him up here and he knows he's only playing 8-10 mins a game and this is the biggest stage so he better give it all every game. Just my opinion.

Flame Of Liberty · 02-21-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Lets just hope for all that is good and right in the universe that Stajan does not go down with an injury.

if someone told me a year ago that we'd be hanging our hats on Matt Stajan...

La Flames Fan · 02-21-2013, 05:15 PM

I like having Aliu up...he brings attitude and grit. As evidence last year he can put the puck in the net too.

Moderator · 02-21-2013, 05:15 PM

Discuss the topic at hand, if you want to discuss the GM or the team in general use or start an appropriate thread. If you just want to whine about things in general, get a blog.

Resolute 14 · 02-21-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I could be wrong, but I think the concern is Horak is playing well and is getting demoted. Akim Aliu is a healthy scratch this year (?confirm?) and is getting promoted instead. And Horak is a prospects, Aliu is a tweener.

Yes, I realize what his angle is, and it is pretty dumb to think that a single transaction is going to devastate the morale in Abby. Especially on a team that has already seen Street and Taylor earn reward call-ups for excelling in Abbotsford. The argument is a ridiculous reach.

And we all know Horak will be back. Hopefully for good next time.

HPLovecraft · 02-21-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

FW has at least 300 posts on this forum that include the words "Rock Solid Plan" in an attempt to mock the franchise.

These are not posts that add anything to this discussion. They are awful posts.

All those threads have become, and this thread too, are a bunch of posters in a circle, patting each other on the back. No value, nothing to be gained. No discussion.

"They Flames sure suck, eh!?"

What, exactly, would you prefer people were saying? 50 posts of line-ups, with Akim on different lines?

There's discussion going on, it's just not the discussion you want it to be.

kobasew19 · 02-21-2013, 05:18 PM

Wtf did Jones do??? Call Feaster a fatass? Truth hurts Jay. Absolutely insane when we keep getting killed in the faceoffs and we send down Jones who was our best FO man.

From the Sun after he was waived "Looking at the rest of the club’s centres, Jones is the biggest and most successful on the faceoff dot, with a 59.4% winning percentage on the draws."

I'm so pissed at this team right now it's not even funny.