Let's play Dump or Keep

[North East Goon]

Also add to the Dump list:
Ken King
Jay Feaster
And with letting Feaster go sorry Conroy, Hartley etc...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Buff

It looks like people, for the most part, seem to agree on the same players. I am a bit surprised that Jiri decided to keep Glencross. While we see what he can bring when is is on his game, I think he really lacks in his work effort. If things don't go right for him he gets frustrated and just floats. He isn't a guy who should be on the 1st line, and if you go with a rebuild he may find himself on the 1st line being frustrated with himself far too often.

I think Glencross and Giordano are both "Sutter guys" who are having problems playing a more talent-oriented system that Hartley has put in place.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Buff

It looks like people, for the most part, seem to agree on the same players. I am a bit surprised that Jiri decided to keep Glencross. While we see what he can bring when is is on his game, I think he really lacks in his work effort. If things don't go right for him he gets frustrated and just floats. He isn't a guy who should be on the 1st line, and if you go with a rebuild he may find himself on the 1st line being frustrated with himself far too often.

He took a discount to stay in exchange for a NMC, I don't think he would waive.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Buff

It looks like people, for the most part, seem to agree on the same players. I am a bit surprised that Jiri decided to keep Glencross. While we see what he can bring when is is on his game, I think he really lacks in his work effort. If things don't go right for him he gets frustrated and just floats. He isn't a guy who should be on the 1st line, and if you go with a rebuild he may find himself on the 1st line being frustrated with himself far too often.

Even though he's inconsistent he's still great value for his contract. And young enough to be part of the go-forward plan.

[GirlySports]

I would keep Kipper and the entire defense and trade every forward over 30.

So that's Cammellari, Glencross, Iginla, Tanguay.. and who else?

[FBI]

Yeah Glencross is a tough one to figure out.. Seems like an attitude problem (which you don't need on a rebuild), so we might be able to get something decent for him for a proven 20-30 goal score.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I know that Stempniak is playing the best hockey as a Flame right now , but historically he pulls a Bouwmeester..... he played his worst down the stretch last year and followed up his goal a game pace in Phoenix with absolutely nothing in the playoffs.

Stempniak is the ideal trade right now guy as when he goes the last 15 games with 1 goal and 2 assists he will be a contract dump.

Valid point.

If it's a trade/dump right now move, his value is high. I think by the deadline that value will decline... and I'd probably rather have him on the team in a 3rd line support role for another year or two than the 3rd round pick he'll garner at the deadline.

That said, if someone wants him for more than that, they can have him.

[SuperMatt18]

Keep Defense
- Wideman
- Brodie
- Bouwmeester

Keep Forwards
-Baertschi
- Backlund
- Horak
- Cervenka
- Hudler
- Glencross (Guy took a home town discount-trading him sends a bad message)

Actively Shop Defense:
- Smith
- Giordano
- Butler
- Babchuk
- Sarich

Actively Shop Forwards:
- Iggy
- Tanguay
- Comeau (obviously)
- Jackman
- Begin

Actively Shop Goalies
- Kipper

On the Fence (Move if value is actually decent, keep it value ends up just being a cap dump)
-Cammallieri
- Stempniak
- Stajan

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

Yeah Glencross is a tough one to figure out.. Seems like an attitude problem (which you don't need on a rebuild), so we might be able to get something decent for him for a proven 20-30 goal score.

Fine line between having an attitude problem and a little fire in the belly.

I'm not sure what side of that Glencross falls on but at least he cares.

[Da_Chief]

Keep: (in no particular order)
- Hudler - Recent UFA signee and playing well
- Wideman - Same as Hudler
- Brodie - Emerging top 4 dman
- Baertschi - Best prospect
- Backlund - Really needs to overcome the injuries and become a top 6 forward
- Horak - Needs to play 3rd line 2 way wing
- Cervenka - Good chemistry with Hudler
- Stajan - New captain

Dump:
- Giordano - Top 4 dman; return = Rattie + Cole from Blues
- Bow - Having his best season, sell high; return = Coutrier + 1st from Philly
- Iggy - Sell the captain, bring him back in the off-season; return = Saad + Beach + 1st from Hawks
- Cammy - Low value, some team looking for scoring; return = 2nd round pick from Kings
- Glencross - Decent 2-way player; return = McBain + 1st from Canes
- Tanguay - Small cap hit; return = Bishop from Sens
- Comeau - Minors
- Jackman - Ask if Sharks still want him; return = 5th round pick, otherwise waived
- Stempniak - return = 4th round pick
- Sarich - return = 4th round pick
- Babchuk/Begin/Butler/Comeau/Jackman/Smith - Waivers, 7th round picks, if not keep for salary floor
- Kipper - He can turn it around = Nino from Isles

New lineup with everyone healthy

Hudler-Stajan-Cerevenka
Saad-Backlund-Baertschi
Horak-Coutrier-Nino
Aliu-Rinehart-Nemisz

Wideman-Brodie
Cole-Butler
Smith-Babchuk

Bishop
Irving

Other assets added - Rattie, Beach, 1st (Phi), 1st (Chi), 1st (Car), 2nd (LA), multiple late picks

Our own pick shouldn't be any worse then what it is right now.

[CsInMyBlood]

Keep:
-Iginla
-Backlund
-Baertschi
-Brodie
-Smith
-Giordano
-Wideman
-Tanguay
-Horak
-Hudler
-Cervenka

Dump
-Bouwmeester
-Butler
-Stajan
-Comeau
-Stempniak
-Sarich
-Babchuk
-Begin
-Cammalleri

On the fence about Glencross, mostly because his contract is a good one.

[FBI]

Yeah, maybe that's it, apathy. Just seems like he doesn't care much, makes soooo many stupid brainless passes and giveaways..

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Fine line between having an attitude problem and a little fire in the belly.

I'm not sure what side of that Glencross falls on but at least he cares.

[North East Goon]

How many wake up calls does Cammalleri need, dude is playing himself right out of NHL hockey.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Keep: (in no particular order)
- Hudler
- Wideman
- Brodie
- Baertschi
- Backlund
- Gio
- Smith
- Horak
- Cervenka
- Butler
- Glencross
- Tanguay
- Stempniak
- Sarich

Try to Trade:
- Stajan
- Bow
- Iggy
- Cammy
- Comeau
- Jackman
- Babchuk
- Kipper


You still need to have some decent players even if you go in a re-build direction. Tanguay/Stempniak are both guys I would hang on to even with a re-build.

I agree with "Jiri" you got to keep some of the players. That said every single player or prospect could be had for the right price.

I would put Butler on the get rid of list. Stempniak i could go either way. He is playing great right now and could have some value on the trade front.

I agree that you keep Tangs and Glencross. Glencross needs to know that he is a 3rd line gritty player that can get some goals. Thats what his game is best suited for. I think if they can add another 3rd line gritty player and play Glencross beside him that he will fall in line.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

Yeah, maybe that's it, apathy. Just seems like he doesn't care much, makes soooo many stupid brainless passes and giveaways..

I think he’s a “feel” player who goes when his confidence is high but can get down on himself easily.,

Frankly one of the main problems with the Flames over the past few years has been having too many guys like that: Tanguay, Stempniak, Cammy, Iginla, Glencross are all too streaky – when they are feeling it they are great, when they are not they are useless.

But at least Glencross is paid like one, the others are paid at a level where they should be bringing it on a nightly basis (Stempniak aside)

[FBI]

He's still almost on a ppg per pace..

Originally Posted by North East Goon

How many wake up calls does Cammalleri need, dude is playing himself right out of NHL hockey.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Keep: (in no particular order)
- Hudler - Recent UFA signee and playing well
- Wideman - Same as Hudler
- Brodie - Emerging top 4 dman
- Baertschi - Best prospect
- Backlund - Really needs to overcome the injuries and become a top 6 forward
- Horak - Needs to play 3rd line 2 way wing
- Cervenka - Good chemistry with Hudler
- Stajan - New captain

Dump:
- Giordano - Top 4 dman; return = Rattie + Cole from Blues
- Bow - Having his best season, sell high; return = Coutrier + 1st from Philly
- Iggy - Sell the captain, bring him back in the off-season; return = Saad + Beach + 1st from Hawks
- Cammy - Low value, some team looking for scoring; return = 2nd round pick from Kings
- Glencross - Decent 2-way player; return = McBain + 1st from Canes
- Tanguay - Small cap hit; return = Bishop from Sens
- Comeau - Minors
- Jackman - Ask if Sharks still want him; return = 5th round pick, otherwise waived
- Stempniak - return = 4th round pick
- Sarich - return = 4th round pick
- Babchuk/Begin/Butler/Comeau/Jackman/Smith - Waivers, 7th round picks, if not keep for salary floor
- Kipper - He can turn it around = Nino from Isles

New lineup with everyone healthy

Hudler-Stajan-Cerevenka
Saad-Backlund-Baertschi
Horak-Coutrier-Nino
Aliu-Rinehart-Nemisz

Wideman-Brodie
Cole-Butler
Smith-Babchuk

Bishop
Irving

Other assets added - Rattie, Beach, 1st (Phi), 1st (Chi), 1st (Car), 2nd (LA), multiple late picks

Our own pick shouldn't be any worse then what it is right now.

Stajan as captain? umm no.

Your not getting any of those returns.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Even though he's inconsistent he's still great value for his contract. And young enough to be part of the go-forward plan.

While I agree with you, my concern would be where he plays. He plays his best when he isn't worried about scoring goals, rather just going out and being hard to play against. If the Flames dump the likes of Iginla and Cammalleri yet keep Glencross, were would the coach be tempted to use Glencross? Likely on the 1st line. Yes, that is subjective to what the Flames get in return for the outbound players, but it is still tempting for the coach to play Glencross on the 1st line on a regular basis due to his experience. I think that is setting him up to fail and that is when we see the soft and frustrated Glencross.

[SuperMatt18]

I am on the Fence with trading Cammy.

He only returned Rene Bourque last season and his value likely hasn't increased at all.

I would keep him until his UFA season and hope for a bounce back.

At that time he is either a go to scorer for this team if he recovers, or will return more as a playoff rental for some team on the back of his two clutch playoff performances in Montreal.

[FBI]

Glencross definitely plays better on the Stajan/Stempniak 3rd line, over the first line with Iggy and Tanguay or anyone..

Originally Posted by Buff

While I agree with you, my concern would be where he plays. He plays his best when he isn't worried about scoring goals, rather just going out and being hard to play against. If the Flames dump the likes of Iginla and Cammalleri yet keep Glencross, were would the coach be tempted to use Glencross? Likely on the 1st line. Yes, that is subjective to what the Flames get in return for the outbound players, but it is still tempting for the coach to play Glencross on the 1st line on a regular basis due to his experience. I think that is setting him up to fail and that is when we see the soft and frustrated Glencross.