Annual Trade Iggy thread

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

I'm hoping someone gives a good deal, but I don't see that happening as how he is playing now, he's awful.

The Flames should trade him back for Rene Bourque. If the past few years have proven anything, it is that a few games in to the season, Rene shall carry the torch for the Flames, supplanting the former top RW.

[Psytic]

As the Flames sank in the standings, their attendance also sagged. For most of their first 16 years in Calgary, Flames tickets were among the toughest to get in the NHL. However, by 1999, attendance had fallen off so severely that the owners issued an ultimatum: buy more season tickets or the team would join its departed counterparts in Winnipeg and Quebec City in leaving for the United States. The fans responded by buying enough season tickets to keep the Flames in Calgary for the 1999–2000 season.[9] The Flames issued another appeal for more season tickets in the summer of 2000.[46] The campaign, aimed at increasing season ticket sales from a franchise low of 8,700 to 14,000, proved successful.[47] The increased sales did not halt the Flames' financial losses, however, as the team estimated it lost $14.5 million between 2001 and 2003

Flames management and ownership know exactly whats up they just don't trust the fan base to get behind a 3 or 4/maybe longer year rebuild. they would rather battle for 8th place for eternity than to chance incurring losses or even maybe being in danger of losing the team again. I know that the Canadian Dollar had a lot to do with the franchise being in the red but you can kind of tell that the mandate isn't " Stanley Cup or Bust" its "sell hope to sell seasons tickets" and so far its been working.

The only one that can save us is Iginla, if he asks to move he could sacrifice himself for the sins of ownership like Jesus. The ownership won't change their mandate as long as they can still sell hope. Iginla leaving would be the only thing I think that could force their hand.

[playmaker]

The problem is we missed the right moment to trade Iggy and Kipper. In comparison, both Nieuwendyk and Fleury were traded in their prime so we got Iggy and Regehr - two players that you can build the team around.
It's not gonna happen this time when selling 35 year old aging power forward and 37 year old athletic goalie. Instead, Flames should IMHO focus on trading Glencross, Tanguay, Giordano, Stempniak and Cammy.

Glenny + Tangs + pick for a potential impact player would make sense

At this point I'd rather keep Iggy as the 2nd liner and mentoring type if he's willing to stay for a reasonable money. Same for Kipper as a backup goalie.

So in other words - keep Iggy and Kipper, everybody else older than 27 good bye (assuming Butler is 27 already)

[868904]

Originally Posted by playmaker

At this point I'd rather keep Iggy as the 2nd liner and mentoring type if he's willing to stay for a reasonable money. Same for Kipper as a backup goalie.

Off the ice, Iginla would be the perfect mentor and role model for our young players.

On the ice, I don't want him anywhere near the next generation of Flames prospects. I don't want Sven learning the blue-line-curl-and-turnover or his centre-ice-puck-support

A late first rounder for either of those guys is still a good return. Why? Because each draft pick is hope.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Flames management and ownership know exactly whats up they just don't trust the fan base to get behind a 3 or 4/maybe longer year rebuild. they would rather battle for 8th place for eternity than to chance incurring losses or even maybe being in danger of losing the team again. I know that the Canadian Dollar had a lot to do with the franchise being in the red but you can kind of tell that the mandate isn't " Stanley Cup or Bust" its "sell hope to sell seasons tickets" and so far its been working.

The only one that can save us is Iginla, if he asks to move he could sacrifice himself for the sins of ownership like Jesus. The ownership won't change their mandate as long as they can still sell hope. Iginla leaving would be the only thing I think that could force their hand.

That was a long time ago, in a league where people here were fed up with the top teams buying a spot in the playoffs. Toronto, Detroit, ect had unlimited payroll so a small franchise like Calgary was simply a farm team. If the Flames showed some intellectual honesty and rebuilt, the fans will stick around. They might not sell out every game, but they won't need to spend to the cap either.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The Schenn, Simmonds and a 1st rumour really hurts also. They would probably be in a playoff position today if the trade was made.

I don't think they would.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

That was a long time ago, in a league where people here were fed up with the top teams buying a spot in the playoffs. Toronto, Detroit, ect had unlimited payroll so a small franchise like Calgary was simply a farm team. If the Flames showed some intellectual honesty and rebuilt, the fans will stick around. They might not sell out every game, but they won't need to spend to the cap either.

Yep. People forget the Flames simply couldn't compete on a financial level with the big markets. I remember Coates desperately wanting to keep Dave Gagner around to mentor Iginla as they had good chemistry in his first year and Gagner opted for more money in Florida than the Flames could offer. Dave frikking Gagner was out of the Flames league salary-wise. That's how bad things were. They would trade for guys under contract like Cassels but they would all leave as soon as they became UFA. By the late 90's the team was filling the roster with league castoffs like Jeff Shantz, Clark Wilm, Jeff Cowan, Freddy Brathwaite, etc because that's the best they could afford. It was pretty dire and hopless.

At least now the Flames have the money to be able to acquire top players with high salaries in trades or via free agency. That wasn't even remotely possible in the 90's where they were hopeless to compete with the big markets.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yep. People forget the Flames simply couldn't compete on a financial level with the big markets. I remember Coates desperately wanting to keep Dave Gagner around to mentor Iginla as they had good chemistry in his first year and Gagner opted for more money in Florida than the Flames could offer. Dave frikking Gagner was out of the Flames league salary-wise. That's how bad things were. They would trade for guys under contract like Cassels but they would all leave as soon as they became UFA. By the late 90's the team was filling the roster with league castoffs like Jeff Shantz, Clark Wilm, Jeff Cowan, Freddy Brathwaite, etc because that's the best they could afford. It was pretty dire and hopless.

At least now the Flames have the money to be able to acquire top players with high salaries in trades or via free agency. That wasn't even remotely possible in the 90's where they were hopeless to compete with the big markets.

This is all true but my point is do Flames ownership believe this fan base would survive a rebuild? I think they don't because I can't believe they are nieve enough to think this is working and there must be an explanation why they haven't moved Iginla or Kipper yet after years of mediocrity.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This is all true but my point is do Flames ownership believe this fan base would survive a rebuild? I think they don't because I can't believe they are nieve enough to think this is working and there must be an explanation why they haven't moved Iginla or Kipper yet after years of mediocrity.

It's insulting to insinuate we couldn't.

[indes]

Pretty sure we are rebuilding, what's the player turnover been in the last 3 years?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It's insulting to insinuate we couldn't.

I am not insinuating we can't I am wondering what THEY think. Maybe I am giving them to much credit and ownership does really believe the team has been competitive the last few years and there is no other reason why Iginla hasn't been traded I was just theory crafting ithat maybe there was another reason why this wasn't done earlier.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by indes

Pretty sure we are rebuilding, what's the player turnover been in the last 3 years?

I'm guessing not too out of line with the rest of the league.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Psytic

"sell hope to sell seasons tickets" and so far its been working.

Edmonton has done just that with Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov.

I think their management is the most incompetent in the NHL, but the org itself has done a good job of selling hope to that city by rebuilding and through top draft picks.

I'd rather see a clear direction either way than this silliness of "Well we're going to rebuild and be competitive at the same time " nonsense Feaster and King try to sell.

[Gunkle]

Iginla hasn't shown us anything to make us believe that he isn't in anything but a decline. We are all dying to be proven wrong....but I just don't see any sustained effort forthcoming.
We are therefore renting a relic, and icon of something of the past.

I would like to see a CP Poll .... not to convince myself, but perhaps Flames muckymucks that as an informed and passionate fan base, that we're tired of losing....tired of the same generic, and predictable excuses, tired of being the team of coach killers. I want to win. That's it.

[PeteMoss]

Iginla shouldn't have to ask for a trade to save us. Its not his responsibility to 'save us'. The team has to be honest with itself and make the move.

The fans aren't going to run away if he's dealt. I don't think there are many fans out there who think 11th with Iginla is much different than 14th without him. Its still out of the playoffs.

After next year, the team is going to have a ton of cap space with Bouwmeester, Kipper, Cammalleri and Stajan coming off the books. You really don't have to have an endless rebuild despite what Edmonton is showing. Make some trades to rebuild the prospect pool and land a couple of decent vets and you can be back in the mix in two-three years.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Psytic

This is all true but my point is do Flames ownership believe this fan base would survive a rebuild? I think they don't because I can't believe they are nieve enough to think this is working and there must be an explanation why they haven't moved Iginla or Kipper yet after years of mediocrity.

That was also an decade long rebuild. Yes - if the Flames suck for 10 years the fanbase might be drop. But there is no reason to be garbage for that long just because you trade one guy who isn't going to be here for the next 10 years anyways.

[indes]

It just boggles my mind how ownership and management can convince themselves we are still in "win now" mode. Doesn't matter how many times you say it if your not winning you are not in win now mode. You are in "lets be completely delusional about how good we are" mode. That being said I really think this is Iggy's year to go to a contender, we would be in the same position in the standings without him and I think the additions of Hudler, Cervenka and Backlund playing well we dont need him

[ricosuave]

The best thing that the team could do would be to sell Iginla at the deadline, with the understanding (nudge, nudge) that he'll resign here at a lower rate in June.

At that point, the owners drive a dump truck full of money up to Getzlaf's house and say 'here, come play for us'.

Iginla stays, we get some prospects for the future, and a bonafide superstar to build the new rink/team future around.

[dissentowner]

Where are people getting this idea Getzlaf will see FA? He won't.

[Gary83]

Yeah. Perry will hit FA before Getzlaf does.