[News] Giordano fined $10,000

[Bane]

What a joke. Sure Gio tripped Roussel, but he also made sure Roussel didn't crash into the boards. Lame Shanny, lame!

[cKy]

Originally Posted by Sakari

4 million a year is what he's making from the NHL. Nevermind sponsors. And commercials. After he retires, he could look at jobs as an NHL analyst/commentator, or in any other league. Lots of positions hockey-wise. Not to mention the career his wife has, whatever it is. Not saying it's like absolutely no money to him, but seriously, you're going to have to take a lot more away then that for them to teach someone an actual lesson.

My objection to the cost is more to how the NHL deals with it in general, not just this specific incident, because I know Gio doesn't do stuff like this frequently, if ever.

WTF does income he makes outside of hockey have to do with the amount he should get fined? If Chelios was still playing and got fined, would they take his taxable income from his restaurant into account when deciding the dollar amount?

He got fined the max by the NHL. 10K to them is like a speeding ticket to us. Ever get a speeding ticket? Say you make 40K a year, and you get a $100 speeding ticket. Would that be enough to stop you from speeding ever again? Probably not, but I bet you would second guess speeding in the same location.

[Stay Golden]

i'm sure that there was no injury also played into this decision.

[Baaarrden]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i'm sure that there was no injury also played into this decision.

do you mean like if Roussel was injured, Giordano would have been suspended as opposed to just being fined? Because Giordano received the max fine as it is.

[doctajones428]

How is this an issue to us?

He got a slap on the wrist, moving on.

[expatflame]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I think that is pretty good chuck of cash for what he did.

since when is 10k pocket change? he may make 4m a year, but when hockey is over its not like he is gonna just be able to slide into a 100k+ job until retirement. he is pretty much making all the money he'll have for the rest of his life while playing in the show.

4million invested into a conservative investment fund of indexed stocks/bonds would provide 200K a year for the rest of his life so yes, he could slide into a 100k job for the rest of his life.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by cKy

WTF does income he makes outside of hockey have to do with the amount he should get fined? If Chelios was still playing and got fined, would they take his taxable income from his restaurant into account when deciding the dollar amount?

He got fined the max by the NHL. 10K to them is like a speeding ticket to us. Ever get a speeding ticket? Say you make 40K a year, and you get a $100 speeding ticket. Would that be enough to stop you from speeding ever again? Probably not, but I bet you would second guess speeding in the same location.

Woosh!

Say you make 40k a year, and you get a 1000 dollar speeding ticket, you will NEVER speed again. You get suspended 5 games without pay, you lose roughly 130k. That happened to Bourque last season. I'm not arguing against Gio, I'm arguing against the general method the NHL uses to punish people. If you want to eliminate slewfooting, you suspend a player for that long and make him lose a huge chunk of his pay and he will never do that again, and it will serve as an example to the NHL. Same goes for hits to the head, hits from behind, etc.

[cznTiburon]

A clean player makes a borderline dirty play and is fined. There is nothing wRong with this, gio can afford it and does the money not go to help injured players? This is a non event

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Say you make 40k a year, and you get a 1000 dollar speeding ticket, you will NEVER speed again.

Speeding fines aren't assessed in relation to an offender's income.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Speeding fines aren't assessed in relation to an offender's income.

Not in Finland.

True, Vanjoki was doing 46.5 mph in a 30-mph zone. But $103,000?
The reason the penalty was so harsh is that traffic fines in Finland are based not just on the severity of the offense, but on the offender's income. Vanjoki is a senior executive of Nokia, the world's largest cell phone maker, and his fine was assessed on a 1999 income of $5.2 million.

Jaakko got a $74,600 ticket in November 2000. A year later Antti was hit for $15,400.

Teemu Selanne, a top scorer in the National Hockey League, was fined $40,200 for reckless driving in June 2000.

http://www.trafficticketsecrets.com/...s-finnish.html

[vilzeh]

True Vulcan!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Woosh!

Say you make 40k a year, and you get a 1000 dollar speeding ticket, you will NEVER speed again. You get suspended 5 games without pay, you lose roughly 130k. That happened to Bourque last season. I'm not arguing against Gio, I'm arguing against the general method the NHL uses to punish people. If you want to eliminate slewfooting, you suspend a player for that long and make him lose a huge chunk of his pay and he will never do that again, and it will serve as an example to the NHL. Same goes for hits to the head, hits from behind, etc.

If you are going to go on a 20 post whinefest, at least know what you are talking about. The fine limitations are at the NHLPA's request. It isn't a case of the "NHL failing to learn", it is a case of the union protecting its players' pocketbooks. The NHL has, in fact, consistently been able to ratchet the maximum fines up over the years, from $1000 in the 1995 CBA to $2500 in 2005 to $10k/15k now.

And like it or not, the fine was a appropriate for the act. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure and did not result in injury, but it was careless. That's pretty much the scenario a fine exists for.

[SportsJunky]

I'm a big fan of Gio but that was a dirty play. I have no doubt he was steamed from the Morrow hit earlier behind the net but you can't be blatantly slew footing a guy and not expect some reprucussions. The fine was light. As someone said earlier in the thread - moving on.

[Vulcan]

I thought the hit on Giordano was worse and should have been up for discipline. One player boxing another player in so he can't evade the hit is dirty. The same thing happened to Lombardi in Detroit when Hatcher concussed him.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

I think that is pretty good chuck of cash for what he did.

since when is 10k pocket change? he may make 4m a year, but when hockey is over its not like he is gonna just be able to slide into a 100k+ job until retirement. he is pretty much making all the money he'll have for the rest of his life while playing in the show.

When your gross pay is $11,013.70 a day, $10,000 is pocket change.
Why would a guy need to slide into $100k/yr job until retirement, when in a 10 year career at $4M per, he would make what the average north american would have to work 800 years to earn?
Prefessional athlete salaries are truly absurd, I understand why they get paid them, but I still find it astounishing, that a guy who has a high school education (maybe) can make more money by the time he is 25, then a surgeon, who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to become one, and saves lives, can earn in a lifetime.
And yet people always defend the poor players who get fined, and worry about how they are gonna support themselves when they retire at age 35 after earning millions upon millions of dollars.

[Sakari]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If you are going to go on a 20 post whinefest, at least know what you are talking about. The fine limitations are at the NHLPA's request. It isn't a case of the "NHL failing to learn", it is a case of the union protecting its players' pocketbooks. The NHL has, in fact, consistently been able to ratchet the maximum fines up over the years, from $1000 in the 1995 CBA to $2500 in 2005 to $10k/15k now.

And like it or not, the fine was a appropriate for the act. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to injure and did not result in injury, but it was careless. That's pretty much the scenario a fine exists for.

Once again, my argument or so-called "whining" is not a debate of this specific situation, it's to the disciplinary system as a whole. 10 000 dollars is not going to teach anyone a lesson. If you're suspended, you do not get paid, therefore can lose MUCH more money than 10 000 dollars. That, as well as having to watch from the press box, will teach you a lesson. If you're unhappy with what a player did, kick him out of the game, suspend him for 3 games, make him lose a decent chunk of his paycheck, etc. Generally people are fined, not suspended. If you want to eliminate concussions from the game, being strict, even though it's harsh, will be key. Accidents happen, and in the case of an accident, a fine is about as far as you can go. Something that was not accidental should automatically be a suspension. You'll see a lot more people being suspended but you'll see those numbers slow down and injuries WILL become less common. Using the situation room in cases that aren't just disallowed goals may help resolve matters easier, as well.

Obviously this is my opinion, whether or not it's right in the big picture I do not know. But, as this IS a forum, I have the right to share it as do you. Accusing me of whining and ignorance is not the best way to go about business on a forum, though, and as a fanbase it shocks me day to day that all we do here is bitch at and insult one another instead of helping each other learn more about the game we say we love. Once again, it's absolutely ridiculous.