[News] Blair Jones discussion

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

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Nice response.

So the Flames management can do all of these good things and one mistake (which we don't even know if it is yet) causes an entire fan base to go snaky. I don't get it.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is it a good post, or is it the rosey observations of a poster looking on the bright side of what can only be described as a disastrous season that was more or less entirely predictable from the outset?

See my previous post, Steps are going in the right direction. 12 games in and the season is disastrous?

Complaining all the time must be incredibly tiring.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you and Bertuzzied want to pool your money on a wager for Wideman being dealt?

I'm not saying he'll be dealt this season or next, or whatever.

But if there's one thing the Oilers lack in their rebuild was any existing pieces. They had nothing of value to trade before the picked Taylor Hall.

If, in 2 years time, the Flames have had two top 5 picks, I think it'll be good that we have somebody like Wideman on the team so the team can try to actually make the playoffs instead of waiting for draft picks to land in our lap and make the difference.

Or perhaps he's traded at that time. Either way, he has value to the Flames, as a player or in a trade.

[HPLovecraft]

I don't hate management, but I don't love them. Their job is really one thing, and one thing only - make the team better than it was in previous years, and they haven't been able to do it. The centre position has been something that's plagued this team for a decade or more, and it's never been worse than it has been under Feaster's watch. I like their drafting (some of it, but I'm not going to judge them based on that until the players are matured any more than I would judge other GMs on their picks until the players have matured, for better or worse), but I don't really give a crap about Hudler, et al if they don't yield better results where it matters.

Nothing wrong with criticizing this management team right now, and I would even dare say there's more reason to do it than not to, though "hating" them may be a bit strong.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

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I don't know, will it?

As you are more than well aware, one is clearly a joke, while the other is an actual defense of the management in the organization, in a serious post about how well management has done in spite of themselves.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Nice response.

So the Flames management can do all of these good things and one mistake (which we don't even know if it is yet) causes an entire fan base to go snaky. I don't get it.

The Flames might finish dead last in the entire league this year and you think it's Blair Jones on waivers that has people upset/apathetic/mocking management?

[browna]

It may be dufus for dufus with Comeau and Jones, but to throw the natural center, on a roster devoid of that position, who has 18 shots, 1 assist in 11 games, under the bus, and at the same time promote to the first line, out of position, and sing the praises of a different player also with 1 assist in 11 games and 10 shots seems far fetched.

Nevermind one player makes twice as much $ as the other, the lack of distinct difference in tangible performance between the two flies in the face of the system of playing guys who deserve it, and IMO gives people the right to question what the management of this team is really thinking with their decision given all the talk going into the season.

Or, at least be honest. If Jones has a bad attitude off the ice or has disrepsected Hartley in the last days, say as much.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by browna

Or, at least be honest. If Jones has a bad attitude off the ice or has disrepsected Hartley in the last days, say as much.

Are you kidding me?

Have you EVER heard an NHL coach or GM come out and say "the player has a bad attitude and disrespected me, so we put him on waivers".

You will not see this happen because they are not dealing with 6 year olds.

[FlamesAddiction]

Different players need different types of motivation.

Maybe Hartley is wrong about the different approaches regarding Jones and Comeau, but I think it's completely justifiable to have two different ways of dealing with two different players.

Hartley is a pretty cerebral coach and tends to engage the indidual instead of having a one-size-fits-all approach.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I love how one single waiver movement can cause the entire management group to be so hated and despised.

Forget all of the good things Feaster and co. have done since he got here. Forget the fact that we may not have Sven or Gaudreau if it weren't for them. Forget the fact that we may not have Hudler, Wideman and Cervenka keeping us somewhat entertained during this miserable season. Forget the fact that he got that bum Bourque out of town for a heart and soul leader in Cammalleri (plus perhaps the best KHL goalie). I could go on about good things they've done.

But I guess people have a short memory.

While I don't disagree with you that this is one simple waiver wire move, as confusing and very strange as it, shouldn't be getting people all fired up. But all these "good things" you list (and I do like many of them as well) are very subjective to how good they are or that we wouldn't have them. We may or may not have Sven or Gaudreau, it's also still far from proven that these too wont become the next Ricco Fata and Daniel Tazchuck ( I can't spell) of this era, so touting those as good moves at this point is premature. Hudler, Wideman and Cervenka, I like all these moves, but they have yet to make anything better results wise around here.

And what about all the questionable moves? Signing Jackman a dime a dozen player months before it was needed to a multi year deal? What about re-signing Comeau for over 1M, then waiving a centre who has clearly been for effective than useless Comeau? What about how this team has now lost so much grit and size under this management it's actually hurting our results on the ice.

It's not that people have short memories, its that the results haven't improved with any of the changes this group has made, and to be honest the direction behind a lot of the moves made to date are actually quite confusing and people really aren't sure what this management team is trying to do or accomplish, or what direction they are taking.

[Machiavelli]

"It’s just a matter of . . . we need more," said coach Bob Hartley. "We need more and it’s as simple as this. There’s stuff we can share. There’s stuff we can’t share. At the same time, it’s a matter of having everyone accountable . . . to make the right decisions for everyone in the organization."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Blair+J...#ixzz2LBX0VIm7

He did something to piss them off, that's what I get out of that quote.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Are you kidding me?

Have you EVER heard an NHL coach or GM come out and say "the player has a bad attitude and disrespected me, so we put him on waivers".

You will not see this happen because they are not dealing with 6 year olds.

Maybe not in so many words, but there are often times where the reason is that a player needs to "refocus" or "adjust their mindset" or "get more in tune with the system" which is basically the same thing as having off ice attitude issues.

In this case "we need more" implies to me a performance thing on the ice, and given the pure stats between him and Comeau, its quite the double standard.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

And what about all the questionable moves? Signing Jackman a dime a dozen player months before it was need to a multi year deal? What about re-signing Comeau for over 1M, then waiving a centre who has clearly been for effective than useless Comeau? What about how this team has now lost so much grit and size under this management it's actually hurting our results on the ice.

If these are the worst moves Feaster has made, then we're in pretty good shape.

But really, woe is us for not trading Jackman for a 6th.

[Moderator]

Discuss the topic, not other posters or your opinion of the quality of their posts.

If you want to just complain, get a blog.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by theClassic09

Jason Arnott is the last thing this team needs right now.

Totally agree. Already got one past his prime in Iginla, don't need two.

[Moderator]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is it a good post, or is it the rosey observations of a poster looking on the bright side of what can only be described as a disastrous season that was more or less entirely predictable from the outset?

We're supposed to hang our hat on Dennis Wideman? Is Dennis Wideman making a 6-3 blowout at the hands of the 13th place team any better?

Perhaps the best goalie in the KHL? A Heart and Soul leader like Cammalleri?

Will the hyperbole ever end?

Next time post this instead of posting what you did, and engage in a discussion.

[Diemenz]

Originally Posted by browna

Maybe not in so many words, but there are often times where the reason is that a player needs to "refocus" or "adjust their mindset" or "get more in tune with the system" which is basically the same thing as having off ice attitude issues.

In this case "we need more" implies to me a performance thing on the ice, and given the pure stats between him and Comeau, its quite the double standard.

It implies that to YOU.

What you don't seem to understand is this has NOTHING to do with Comeau. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can discuss the Jones situation with the proper mindset.

How do you demote a 4th liner that is not following the system? Sit him? Ya that wont work. Put him on waivers so HE can realize that he isn't king cheese? Ya that will do it.

[neo45]

I bet Comeau has been showing up and working extremely hard every day, where as maybe Jones hasn't been.

Jones also hasn't been hitting enough, or getting under the skin of the other team enough. He also hasn't fought once since he came to the Flames. If he wanted to stick in the NHL, he should have played a grittier game after management publicly stated that was what they wanted from their grinders.

I would have put them both on waivers hoping one gets claimed. Horak is better than both of them, he creates chances for his team mates while these two do nothing of the sort.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Blair+J...#ixzz2LBX0VIm7

He did something to piss them off, that's what I get out of that quote.

OK well there we go. My apologies for not getting the whole quote from today. If he has an attitude issue, then fine.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Blair+J...#ixzz2LBX0VIm7

He did something to piss them off, that's what I get out of that quote.

Hartley: "Jones, we're going to be promoting your line-mate and winger, Comeau, up to the 1st line to play centre, your natural position, between Iginla and Glencross."

Jones: "#### you all!"