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Old 02-17-2013, 11:52 AM   #21
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What about our slacking defense? I honestly dont believe the flames are in a position to pick a prospect just because he is a center when our defense is weak too. When we draft a center, all of us are going to start complaining about the lack of defensive depth we have..

I might be alone, but I dont see why center is our ONLY focus right now.
Three words: Breen, Wotherspoon, Sieloff.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:55 AM   #22
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Three words: Breen, Wotherspoon, Sieloff.
This is the problem with us flames fans. We think we have our defensive depth all figured out. Wotherspoon is alright, Im not yet impressed by sieloff.. However can you really say to yourself out of those 3 are a top 2 dman?
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Your thinking if we draft Nathan suddenly the flames are a contending team.. To me thats a bunch of bs...
No..? Where did I say that? this team is years away from contending..

but Mackinnon addresses the teams needs way more than Jones
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This is the problem with us flames fans. We think we have our defensive depth all figured out. Wotherspoon is alright, Im not yet impressed by sieloff.. However can you really say to yourself out of those 3 are a top 2 dman?
If we're going to trade players like Iginla and Kipper this year, then I expect players like Joe Morrow and Olli Maatta to come to Calgary. I think you need to pick the centre at the draft in this case.
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This is the problem with us flames fans. We think we have our defensive depth all figured out. Wotherspoon is alright, Im not yet impressed by sieloff.. However can you really say to yourself out of those 3 are a top 2 dman?
Exactly. Wotherspoon is the only one I see becoming a full time NHL-er and he isn't a lock to do so. The other two have a chance

I take Seth Jones. If we draft 2nd overall then it is a really difficult decisions between Drouin and Mackinnon. I've watched about 12 Moosehead games this year and Mackinnon is better right now but Drouin shows flashes in his game that Mackinnon doesn't
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Mackinnon, but it ain't gonna happen
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What about our slacking defense? I honestly dont believe the flames are in a position to pick a prospect just because he is a center when our defense is weak too. When we draft a center, all of us are going to start complaining about the lack of defensive depth we have..

I might be alone, but I dont see why center is our ONLY focus right now.
I get where you're coming from, but really I just want an elite talent at center now. Take a look at the last 10 drafts; very rarely is there a defenseman I would take 1st overall. Maybe Karlsson in 2008 but that stamkos guy is pretty good.

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This is the problem with us flames fans. We think we have our defensive depth all figured out. Wotherspoon is alright, Im not yet impressed by sieloff.. However can you really say to yourself out of those 3 are a top 2 dman?
Most times it's hard to tell early on. D-men take years to develop, so we can't really say now concretely who is and who isn't. But they all have pretty good tools and are bigger, physical guys too. I would place Wotherspoon at the top as a guy that has that kind of potential down the road. He seems very steady and sound defensively.

Sieloff brings a kind of physically that is a rarity with today's team. Might be able to sway some momentum with a monster hit. Even if he pans out in the 4-6 range.

And of course you can forget Brodie, who's only going to get better from here.
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No..? Where did I say that? this team is years away from contending..

but Mackinnon addresses the teams needs way more than Jones
How!? How can you justify Mackinnon will serve the teams "needs"more then Jones? Jones is the better player, why not pick the better player?

Look I understand the need for a center, but I also understand our need for a top 2 Dman. And I'm sorry, I just dont see enough in the flames defensive depth to pick Mackinnon just because he is a center...
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How!? How can you justify Mackinnon will serve the teams "needs"more then Jones? Jones is the better player, why not pick the better player?

Look I understand the need for a center, but I also understand our need for a top 2 Dman. And I'm sorry, I just dont see enough in the flames defensive depth to pick Mackinnon just because he is a center...
The team hasn't had a number 1 centre since Nieuwendyk. It's understandable that we want another after 15 years without one.

At least we have Brodie on defence. I want somebody to play with Baertschi and Gaudreau.
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Draft the best available talent, that player is Seth Jones. Drafting for immediate need is stupid.
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How!? How can you justify Mackinnon will serve the teams "needs"more then Jones? Jones is the better player, why not pick the better player?

Look I understand the need for a center, but I also understand our need for a top 2 Dman. And I'm sorry, I just dont see enough in the flames defensive depth to pick Mackinnon just because he is a center...
We have the weakest center depth in the entire league.

Our top 4 is definitely stronger than most teams top 4

I'm sorry but if we don't draft a center with a lottery pick that would be an epic fail IMO.
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MacKinnon. But we won't be that bad IMO. More likely 5ish.
Barkov might well be available at 5h. I agree that they should pick a center if at all possible, so if they pick first, they should get MacKinnon.

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No matter where they draft in the first round center should be first priority. If at there turn its between 2-3 players and there's a center involved, the center wins.
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Draft the best available talent, that player is Seth Jones. Drafting for immediate need is stupid.
Is it really so obvious that Jones is clearly ahead of MacKinnon at this point? I don't follow these things much so I'm curious.
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I'm in the minority, but I'd snag Jonathan Drouin (have had him ranked #1 even before his recent ascent to the Human Hockey Highlight Film).
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:13 PM   #37
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It should also be noted how young MacKinnon is... if I'm not mistaken, if he goes first, he'll be the youngest first overall pick in NHL history.

For all intensive purposes, Jones is a year older than MacKinnon.
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Old 02-17-2013, 12:15 PM   #38
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I haven't seen anything to indicate Seth Jones is head and shoulders above MacKinnon as people are indicating in this thread. I fully agree you draft BPA, but in this case I think it's very debateable who the better player is going to be. At that point you draft for organizational need, and #1C's are always harder to get.
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The team hasn't had a number 1 centre since Nieuwendyk. It's understandable that we want another after 15 years without one.

At least we have Brodie on defence. I want somebody to play with Baertschi and Gaudreau.
hopefully that person is mark jankowski.. We need to start addressing our defensive needs because mark my works in like 2 years the talk will be we have zero defensive prospects..

As for brodie again, I dont like throwing our eggs in one basket. We still have no clue about Brodie and how he will turn out.. Is he a top 2 Dman? I don't know. Point is draft the best talent.
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hopefully that person is mark jankowski.. We need to start addressing our defensive needs because mark my works in like 2 years the talk will be we have zero defensive prospects..

As for brodie again, I dont like throwing our eggs in one basket. We still have no clue about Brodie and how he will turn out.. Is he a top 2 Dman? I don't know. Point is draft the best talent.
Jankowski is a nice prospect, but you can't bank on him.

Wouldn't it be even better if we had a 1-2 punch of MacKinnon and Jankowski?
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