[News] Blair Jones discussion

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Real fans will stick around through a rebuild. No worries.

Hopefully Iginla goes next.

Agreed. Real fans who stick through everything enjoy the wins so much more then band wagoners.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The situation is that the team is a few games into a significantly new approach. If the team was a game or two better this conversation would have a different tone. It absolutely is the fact that the changes have not shown immediate results of a certain kind

Maybe for some, but I'm sure for others (including myself) it's more the state of the organization that I'm frustrated with, I didn't have too high of expectations for this season.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I think many are "imploding" over the situation of the organization in general, not because we're below .500.

Honestly, why?

We have people here who want the team to lose freaking out, despite the fact they are getting what they want.

We have people freaking out over a bloody fourth liner (yet again). I like Jones and find this curious, but the fact remains, he is a fourth liner and his contributions are decidedly limited. He only takes six faceoffs a game, and his percentage is no better than what we've gotten from Cervenka, Horak and Street (albeit in limited opportunities). He plays eight minutes a night, and does not play special teams at all. This is simply not a move worth getting upset about.

Comeau actually gives the team more value simply by playing the penalty kill. Even if he has this really annoying get-into-great-scoring-position-but-flub-every-shot habit.

Jackman offers toughness, on the occasions we need it.

[868904]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Not always. They can also be individual unforced giveaways.

Cammalleri's last night was a perfect example.

Well yes, but the majority of giveaways can be attributed to a lack of support. And a lack of support from the forwards to the defencemen has been a major problem with this team for years.

The first goal against, Cervenka was way too high (pretty much at the blueline), when the defencemen are being pressured, it's very difficult to make a long pass out to the blueline. They either force it, which is what they did, which caused the turnover, or they ice it. Either way, you put your defencemen in a bad situation.

I find it's very selfish from the forwards. All the good teams, the winning teams, all provide ample support. It's why their breakouts always look so good, because they breakout as a team. It's really not that difficult to figure out how to win games, all you have to do is watch what the winning teams do and copy it. But this Flames team has always chosen to follow the path of losing teams. Even under Sutter's "defensive system", the forwards still hated coming back to support. Maybe it's cause we have crappy centres who don't know how to play it properly.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Honestly, why?

We have people here who want the team to lose freaking out, despite the fact they are getting what they want.

We have people freaking out over a bloody fourth liner (yet again). I like Jones and find this curious, but the fact remains, he is a fourth liner and his contributions are decidedly limited. He only takes six faceoffs a game, and his percentage is no better than what we've gotten from Cervenka, Horak and Street (albeit in limited opportunities). He plays eight minutes a night, and does not play special teams at all. This is simply not a move worth getting upset about.

Comeau actually gives the team more value simply by playing the penalty kill. Even if he has this really annoying get-into-great-scoring-position-but-flub-every-shot habit.

Jackman offers toughness, on the occasions we need it.

Who is freaking out?

and who wants the team to lose?

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Honestly, why?

We have people here who want the team to lose freaking out, despite the fact they are getting what they want.

We have people freaking out over a bloody fourth liner (yet again). I like Jones and find this curious, but the fact remains, he is a fourth liner and his contributions are decidedly limited. He only takes six faceoffs a game, and his percentage is no better than what we've gotten from Cervenka, Horak and Street (albeit in limited opportunities). He plays eight minutes a night, and does not play special teams at all. This is simply not a move worth getting upset about.

Comeau actually gives the team more value simply by playing the penalty kill. Even if he has this really annoying get-into-great-scoring-position-but-flub-every-shot habit.

Jackman offers toughness, on the occasions we need it.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them yourself. But yes, overreactions come easily around here.

[Southside]

I present to you Steve Begin.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I don't know, you'd have to ask them yourself. But yes, overreactions come easily around here.

It's a fan base that has witnessed second round playoff hockey once since 1989 with many years not even getting to the dance. A history of incompetence. Can't draft right, can't get the right support players for its franchise players, and now seemingly can't make the right decisions for its fourth line players. Flames fans are reacting pretty rationally given what they've been witnessing for about 23 years.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Jackman offers toughness, on the occasions we need it.

What?

Jackman shies away from hits and scrums, especially when the team is down. He is a flat out puss of a hockey tough guy or fourth liner. Stortin was more effective in the role, jackman should be ashamed of every pay cheque he receives.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Igottago

It's a fan base that has witnessed second round playoff hockey once since 1989 with many years not even getting to the dance. A history of incompetence. Can't draft right, can't get the right support players for its franchise players, and now seemingly can't make the right decisions for its fourth line players. Flames fans are reacting pretty rationally given what they've been witnessing for about 23 years.

Well it's just my opinion, but the decision of 4th liners shouldn't be a big concern for fans. I'm not too concerned, was it a mistake? Maybe. Should Comeau be gone? Yeah. However they see around 5 minutes a game, it seem to be a very minor thing to be upset over.

[Tinordi]

Jackman is tired of getting beaten up every fight. So he's not fighting as much.

Can't blame him.

[Flash Walken]

Being a tough guy is one thing.

Being a punching bag is quite another.

Especially when nothing is on the line.

[Resolute 14]

It's still something Jackman does that Jones doesn't.

Seriously, what does Jones offer this team?

[AC]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Well it's just my opinion, but the decision of 4th liners shouldn't be a big concern for fans. I'm not too concerned, was it a mistake? Maybe. Should Comeau be gone? Yeah. However they see around 5 minutes a game, it seem to be a very minor thing to be upset over.

Comeau got considerable icetime with Tanguay and Hudler last night AND is going to be centering the top line tomorrow.

Not so minor.

[BigBird]

What happend to Jackman is one of the best 4th liners, damn this site is bipolar one week we are going to make the playoffs next day we got to blow it up..

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's still something Jackman does that Jones doesn't.

Seriously, what does Jones offer this team?

Greasiness

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's still something Jackman does that Jones doesn't.

Seriously, what does Jones offer this team?

A face off win?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Igottago

It's a fan base that has witnessed second round playoff hockey once since 1989 with many years not even getting to the dance. A history of incompetence. Can't draft right, can't get the right support players for its franchise players, and now seemingly can't make the right decisions for its fourth line players. Flames fans are reacting pretty rationally given what they've been witnessing for about 23 years.

Let's call it what it is.

This is a fan base where somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the fans weren't fans before the 2004 playoffs. That is not a knock against them, but they haven't been through the stuff longer term fans have. They got spoiled right off the bat and came to expect playoffs and championships, without realizing it was very difficult in a 21 team league, let alone a 30 team league. They are about to the a taste of the young guns era, and alot of ankles will be broken jumping off the bandwagon.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by BigBird

What happend to Jackman is one of the best 4th liners, damn this site is bipolar one week we are going to make the playoffs next day we got to blow it up..

That was two seasons ago, he was bad last year too and it was talked about a lot. It's hardly bi-polar when it comes to Jackman.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's still something Jackman does that Jones doesn't.

Seriously, what does Jones offer this team?

Comeau is a great center man?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

A face off win?

considering Jones hasn't been able to win faceoffs in his entire career to date, I would think there is a better chance this is merely just a hot streak to start the season.