Karlsson injured

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The reason why we don't see these injuries is that the circumstances of this were almost a perfect storm, slight loss of balance, the back of Karlsson's blade sticking out and making a perfect cutting guide.

If it was a deliberate dirty play then you can attach Cooke's name to it and throw the book at him. But a play like this that's a hockey play with an unfortunate result, you can't pretend to be a psychic and get into the mind of the player, that would be drumhead justice and pretty stupid.

The only way that you can prove that this is deliberate is if you can personally read his mind and see that he decided in less then a couple of seconds to stomp on a players tendon.

Too many hockey fans are over thinking this thing, thank god you're not judges.

How many times do I have to assure you that I'm not pretending to have proof of intent before you stop talking about "pretending to be psychic", "reading his mind", and so on? I already said that I would not prosecute him. But just between you and me and everyone else here, he could have done it on purpose.

[t0rrent98]

I think if Cooke wasn't such a dirty player, he'd definitely be a tough opponent to play against. He's a fairly quick skater who can easily get opponents off their game, he's also pretty good defensively and is an excellent penalty-killer. The guy can score as well...

[sun]

I don't understand why your Norris winning, $6.5M/year dman isn't wearing those kevlar socks. Seems like a no-brainer.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

You would have to think that if it was his intention to stomp on Karlsson's achilles he would have actually been looking in that general direction

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by sun

I don't understand why your Norris winning, $6.5M/year dman isn't wearing those kevlar socks. Seems like a no-brainer.

Comfort? Same reason no one in the NHL wears neckguards

[pylon]

Cooke isn't doing garbage like that anymore. Last year the guy could have damn near been a Selke candidate, and could have had consideration if not for his past.

I hate to defend a guy with his past, but he actually was an valuable, clean player last season. And was an incredible story of redemption. He admitted he was a dirtbag, was remorseful, manned up and changed his ways. The guy only had 44 PIM's for god sake, and you know half those minutes probably came simply because he is Matt Cooke.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

That was a hockey play. If a guy is against the boards, you work your knee between his legs and box his hips, he is not going anywhere until you release him.

I understand that the TSN experts had a segment on this. Experts are in position of authority and public figures. They can't go accusing anyone unless it's a clear case.

Board battles and pinning are of course common, that goes without saying, but your argument is like saying that hitting is a normal hockey play after someone gets an elbow to the head. It's not that the situation is uncommon, it's about how Cooke kicked down with his skate. Could be that he just misread Karlsson's position and thought his leg was cleanly between his legs, but I don't know if I buy that. He wasn't that badly off balance and the way his foot came down was reckless at best.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

You would have to think that if it was his intention to stomp on Karlsson's achilles he would have actually been looking in that general direction

I don't think anyone would argue that Cooke specifically aimed at his achilles tendon. It's more like he kicked down to give the situation that special little extra value like dirty players sometimes do. He wouldn't be the first player to stomp on another.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by pylon

Cooke isn't doing garbage like that anymore. Last year the guy could have damn near been a Selke candidate, and could have had consideration if not for his past.

I hate to defend a guy with his past, but he actually was an valuable, clean player last season. And was an incredible story of redemption. He admitted he was a dirtbag, was remorseful, manned up and changed his ways. The guy only had 44 PIM's for god sake, and you know half those minutes probably came simply because he is Matt Cooke.

When the story came out I remember reading how his wife told him that she was having a lot of trouble respecting him as a human being because of the stuff that he was doing it was tough to read.

He worked incredibly hard to change his game, but you could be a mass murderer who goes straight and does incredible charity acts, but whenever someone dies even if its from natural causes the first person they look at is you.

[moon]

It sure doesn't seem intentional at all and players skates hit guys ankles, legs etc. all the time it just usually doesn't hit so cleanly to end up in a cut like this.

i know Cooke has been a d-bag in the past but it really does seem like a stretch to say it was intentionally done.

[Captain_Obvious]

I won't go so far as to say he intended to cut him like he did... but watching the video it sure likes like a very odd way for him to step with his left foot like that. He definitely lifted it strangely to his left.

When you look at that and add the fact it's Matt Cooke, a guy with history of extreme d-bagary, I think it's certainly valid to discuss the notion of intent.

[puckluck2]

Looks like a slew foot gone wrong.

[doctajones428]

To me it looks like Cooke was trying to either get his leg between Karlsson or push his leg up, and the skate went down and cut when they hit the boards. He was likely trying to get his skate down on ice and it got caught up in back of Karlsson's.

I despise Cooke for his past but last year he was a different player. I don't think he would try something dirty like a stomping at this point. It definitely doesn't look like a stomp to me

[puckluck2]

What you described he intended is called a slew foot and a dirty play. I hope someone ends his career.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Iginla

What you described he intended is called a slew foot and a dirty play. I hope someone ends his career.

Lifting the leg is a slew but getting his leg between Karlsson's isn't. I can't tell what his intent was. Slew, perhaps. Stomp, no.

[Dion]

The expression on his face told the whole story. A big blow to the Sens and thier playoff chances. Losing Spezza and the Karlsson leaves a big hole.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

To me it looks like Cooke was trying to either get his leg between Karlsson or push his leg up, and the skate went down and cut when they hit the boards. He was likely trying to get his skate down on ice and it got caught up in back of Karlsson's.

I despise Cooke for his past but last year he was a different player. I don't think he would try something dirty like a stomping at this point. It definitely doesn't look like a stomp to me

He got his knee up between the legs of Karlsson in an attempt to slow him down. It's a move used in every game by players to slow your opponent down. In between periods the TSN analysts showed it being used in the Flames game tonight. I highly doubt Cooke wanted to injure Karlsson.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Dion

He got his knee up between the legs of Karlsson in an attempt to slow him down. It's a move used in every game by players to slow your opponent down. In between periods the TSN analysts showed it being used in the Flames game tonight. I highly doubt Cooke wanted to injure Karlsson.

Yeah, I essentially said that, haha.

I highly doubt there was intent to slew/stomp/injure/whatever else

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

I don't think anyone would argue that Cooke specifically aimed at his achilles tendon. It's more like he kicked down to give the situation that special little extra value like dirty players sometimes do. He wouldn't be the first player to stomp on another.

It was virtually the exact same play as Wideman did tonight and countless of NHLers do every night. If Glencross (player with a slight history) took Cooke's spot and Dillon took the spot of Karlsson this wouldn't even be a second thought and would be completely viewed as an unfortunate hockey play. Stomping isn't very common in the NHL at all.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Dion

He got his knee up between the legs of Karlsson in an attempt to slow him down. It's a move used in every game by players to slow your opponent down. In between periods the TSN analysts showed it being used in the Flames game tonight. I highly doubt Cooke wanted to injure Karlsson.

Cooke's leg is never between Karlsson's legs, but it's a similar motion. The same way a hit to the head is a similar motion to a clean hit. It's really not necessary to explain that this is how you pin a player to the boards. Every hockey fan has seen it thousands of times.