As a side note, I don't know how these players can get up and have the energy to get to the bench. If this happened to me I'd probably be passed out calling for someone to end my life. Just the thought of him trying to take off his skate disgusts me.
I don't know if it was intentional, but on that play there is no reason for Cooke to get his foot that far off the ice.
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It looks like Cooke moved his foot to an unnatural position and then made a downward motion.
I won't say definitely intentional, but suspicious looking at least.
That's fair. If you watch or noticed other small players around the NHL, they all do this similar leg motion along broad battles. I'm guessing for extra leverage.
A good time to bring up a question: should a player be suspended for a negligent play if his opponent in injured because of not watching out for something that was preventable (any skate cut related injury)? Forget the fact that it was Cooke involved, but we've seen similar plays in the past couple years involving skates, and to me it's completely preventable, and any player who gets cut because of a skate, who wasn't on the floor at the time, should be suspended. This play happens every game, but a player should be responsible for this type of action, even there was no intent (IMO).
I despise Matt Cooke and his reputation has earned him all the extra scrutiny towards his intentions on this play and I'm glad Neil went after him.... but it wasn't intentional. Just trying to get a leg in between Karlsson's leg and pin him against the boards.
Brutal development for Karlsson though. He is such a smooth skater and you have to wonder if something like this affects his career going forward. Also in the running for back to back Norris trophy's. Hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.
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Showing a play like this in slow motion, or taking pictures to show its deliberate is semi ######ed. I can slow down Iggy's fight tonight and state that he intended to murder his fight partner while yelling "I will kill your family"
In order to judge this play TSN is right you have to take the player names out of it and the emotions out of it.
It was a pinning technique that every player in the league uses and balance issues caused it + the fact that Karlsson had his socks tucked into his skates and it made a natural path for the skate to go into.
Its an unfortunate accident on a hockey play that happens dozens of times per night per game.
Showing it in slow motion or showing photo's doesn't prove anything.
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Showing it in slow motion or showing photo's doesn't prove anything.
You'd have to have a strange notion of what proof is to suggest that you even can prove such a thing. It's a judgement call. But to me it doesn't look like a natural motion that happens all the time - if that was the case, we'd see these injuries all the time. I don't think Cooke is losing his balance that badly either.
You'd have to have a strange notion of what proof is to suggest that you even can prove such a thing. It's a judgement call. But to me it doesn't look like a natural motion that happens all the time - if that was the case, we'd see these injuries all the time. I don't think Cooke is losing his balance that badly either.
I think you don't have a clear understanding of how that pinning motion works
It was an unfortunate accident and nothing more, it looked like a pretty natural pinning attempt to me, unfortunately his balance was off. TSN show two of the same play early in the game and the motion was exactly the same.
Putting into slow motion or taking one frame out of 50 is bullsh%t prosecution.
It seems strange that Cooke who has actually worked really hard over the last year to rehabilitate his image would go out of his way to do something like this now.
The NHL has also already called it a hockey play and no further action will be taken, TSN basically polled a bunch of GM's and hockey people and said the same thing. Paul McLeans comments were kind of BS and amateur, he's right to be angry that the whistle wasn't blown, but his alluding to deliberate play was pretty much garbage. If anything Neil should be fined or suspended for his headshot to Cooke.
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And that is just to heal the injury. After not skating for that long, it could take a while to get back in game shape.
As for the play itself, I'm willing to believe it was an accident. I wouldn't put it past Matt Cooke to do something like that though.
You can't seriously accuse Cooke, because there's no way to prove intent, but these players are experts at making "accidentally on purpose" dirty plays. The reason we don't see these injuries during board battles more often is that players are typically careful with their skates.
I also don't understand why we should take the person doing it out of the discussion. It's not "objective" to ignore a player's history in these situations. I'm absolutely more suspicious of Cooke than most other players.
That was a hockey play. If a guy is against the boards, you work your knee between his legs and box his hips, he is not going anywhere until you release him.
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I think you don't have a clear understanding of how that pinning motion works. [...]
Okay, but that's just not a very convincing argument. You're just calling me ignorant. My read of the situation is different. I think there's room for discussion here.
I wouldn't prosecute him, because like I said there's no way to prove intent here. Nor would I make public statements to that effect if I was any kind of public hockey person. But as a private poster I think that Cooke might have been intentionally reckless. Kind of like extending some extra elbow so that it catches the opponent's face, but he did it with his skate.
You can't seriously accuse Cooke, because there's no way to prove intent, but these players are experts at making "accidentally on purpose" dirty plays. The reason we don't see these injuries during board battles more often is that players are typically careful with their skates.
I also don't understand why we should take the person doing it out of the discussion. It's not "objective" to ignore a player's history in these situations. I'm absolutely more suspicious of Cooke than most other players.
The reason why we don't see these injuries is that the circumstances of this were almost a perfect storm, slight loss of balance, the back of Karlsson's blade sticking out and making a perfect cutting guide.
If it was a deliberate dirty play then you can attach Cooke's name to it and throw the book at him. But a play like this that's a hockey play with an unfortunate result, you can't pretend to be a psychic and get into the mind of the player, that would be drumhead justice and pretty stupid.
The only way that you can prove that this is deliberate is if you can personally read his mind and see that he decided in less then a couple of seconds to stomp on a players tendon.
Too many hockey fans are over thinking this thing, thank god you're not judges.
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